BB's Pelllets

XtremeEuph · Post by **XtremeEuph** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:42 am

Anyone do some BB, Pellet, or simply Air Gun shooting? What would be a good buy, im looking into some but not highly serious so a lower end but reasonable gun will do me good. (Anything reliable under about $110)

Any Canadians here know any laws against having to licence any particular air gun or legalites on having them in your vehicle/trunk?

Thanks for the info

Kevin

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:19 am

The Daisy 880 has been around for a long time, and does a good job for target shooting for a street price around $50. Put a little 4X scope on it. You can probably pop small animals up to maybe 25 yards/meters if you can hold steady.

http://www.daisy.com/shopping/customer/ ... 258&page=1

Benjamin Sheridan has some good pump types, but they cost more.

Pump up type have the added chore of pumping the thing. It's more work on you because of the heat energy that is lost: You generate heat compressing the air before you fire. Then the air cools and energy is lost as the air expands when you fire.

The spring type are less work on you because the air heats up when you fire and the spring compresses the air. But the spring type are usually louder and have some recoil. I don't think you can get a decent spring type for 50 bucks.

Tubainsauga · Post by **Tubainsauga** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:45 am

As for the legal side of it, its all about the muzzle velocity. I don't remember what the max is, but beyond that (I think it was 250 FPS) you need an FAC.

Thomas Maurice Booth · Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:37 pm

I've found that a slingshot is the way to go. For years, I have had a CopperHead Wrist Rocket. It shoots metal ballbearings about 2-3 times the size of a BB. The wristrocket can shoot much further than a bb or pellet gun, packs more punch and is a bit cheaper. I bought mine for roughly $10 and a good amount of ammo for around $7. The link below is not the exact make/ model but is very similar.

http://www.slingshotsusa.com/product_in ... cts_id=726

TMB

KevinMadden · Post by **KevinMadden** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:00 pm

I bought an Mp5 replica from this site for about 40 bucks (uner one of the spring airsoft headings) a couple years ago. pellets sting a bit, but not really dangerous (always ware eye protection!) the gas cylinder ones are more powerful, but also more expensive...but they do look real cool!

http://www.airsplat.com

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:54 pm

the elephant wrote:I have been trying to take care of six wild cats behind my house for about a year now. I usually sit with them when they eat to keep any interlopers away. Recently I have been too busy for this extra step and two house cats have been horning in, along with a few dogs. The house cats are very big, aggressive and persistent little buggers that don't need to be in my yard eating the food that I set out for the other six. They are not afraid of me, even when I run at them. And, of course, the dogs just need to go; they leave land mines all over my yard, which is unfenced and a rental.

I have thought about trying to scare up an old Wrist Rocket but they do not seem to sell them around here anymore. Plus, I have never been good enough with a sling shot to just "spank" these little guys. I would probably just kill them, which is not what I want to do.

I used to be an excellent shot with the bottom-of-the-line Daisy BB gun as a kid, despite their supposed "inaccuracy" and do not remember those as having enough force to break the skin on something as large (and as furry) as a cat. But my vision is not what it was thirty years ago and I do not want to miss these smallish feline butts and accidentally cause serious injury to one of my neighbors' pets. I just want to sting them . . . badly.

I want a way to cause pain but not to actually break the skin of these guys to teach them that my yard is a very unpleasant place for them to be. Any recommendations for such a thing?

There is an old dog trainers trick that should work for you. Get a spray bottle or water pistol and fill it with water. When the cat or dog comes too close to the bowl, spray them in the face. If the water doesn't do it, make a 50/50 mixture of water and vinegar. If you do this consistently for a while, the unwanted dinner guests should stop visiting.

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:59 pm

the elephant wrote:I used to be an excellent shot with the bottom-of-the-line Daisy BB gun as a kid, despite their supposed "inaccuracy" and do not remember those as having enough force to break the skin on something as large (and as furry) as a cat. But my vision is not what it was thirty years ago and I do not want to miss these smallish feline butts and accidentally cause serious injury to one of my neighbors' pets. I just want to sting them . . . badly.

My father has used a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun for years to do exactly what you're talking about. It is somewhat inaccurate but like you say, if nothing phases those cats, you'll have plenty of time to pump & shoot again!

PS: Dad keeps a lil' .410 in the corner for those pesky animals!

Tim

KevinMadden · Post by **KevinMadden** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:16 pm

trseaman wrote:
Tim

what are you stupid kid? you'll shoot your eye out!

tubatooter1940 · Post by **tubatooter1940** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:23 pm

We have always had a lever action Daisy. I fired sharpshooter in the Marine Corps but my wife, despite her lousy eyesight , can outshoot me every time. We use the Daisy to shoot beer cans or cardboard targets but like to plink with a Ruger 22 semi-automatic.
We showed up at the dump one day with 22's and found a pile of old commodes. Toilets collapse in on themselves when shot and the effect is spectacular. We shot the crap out of those toilets.

XtremeEuph · Post by **XtremeEuph** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:41 pm

Anyone else know any details on the licencing law mentioned? Is it particular to any location? (im in MB, Canada).....id like something with a muzzel velocity of 330-900 fps

XtremeEuph · Post by **XtremeEuph** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:54 pm

This looks like a good package here
http://tinyurl.com/y5twpo

single shot pellet, multi pump but ah well..........anyone know how hard these sights and scopes are to adjust/align?

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:37 pm

This looks like a good package here

That is just a variation of the basic Daisy 880 (note the model 5880 still has "880" in it). Installing and adjusting a 4X scope is not difficult.

The 177 caliber pellet will work up to about squirrel and dove sized game. For bigger stuff like rabbits and maybe crows, I'd guess a 22 caliber on the upper end of the power range be needed.

XtremeEuph · Post by **XtremeEuph** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:40 pm

SplatterTone wrote:
This looks like a good package here
That is just a variation of the basic Daisy 880 (note the model 5880 still has "880" in it). Installing and adjusting a 4X scope is not difficult.

The 177 caliber pellet will work up to about squirrel and dove sized game. For bigger stuff like rabbits and maybe crows, I'd guess a 22 caliber on the upper end of the power range be needed.

you literally mean a .22 caliber rifle ? ......or .22 cal pellets

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:40 am

I want a way to cause pain but not to actually break the skin of these guys to teach them that my yard is a very unpleasant place for them to be. Any recommendations for such a thing?

I'll try this again and hope I don't mess it up this time.

Speer makes a plastic bullet and shell casing the you charge with a pistol primer -- no powder -- for indoor target practice. There isn't enough power to break the skin, but if you are close, you might be able to raise a welt. The plastic bullet loses its energy quickly. I have loaded these with a small amount of powder so that the plastic bullet went through one side of a plastic waste basket. But the plastic shell casing split from the pressure. The big disadvantage for outside use is that you will likely lose the plastic bullet and have to buy more.

Here is a link:
http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/produc ... -VELOCITY)

And a link for an ebay listing:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Speer-45-cal-Plasti ... dZViewItem

ken k · Post by **ken k** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:40 pm

be careful, not to shoot your eye out!!!!!

(appropriate reference for thistime of year....)

Tubainsauga · Post by **Tubainsauga** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:27 am

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-rens ... guns_e.asp

XtremeEuph · Post by **XtremeEuph** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:03 am

schlepporello wrote:Wow.
I have two BB pistols that would not require licensing under Canadian law. Two out of seven air guns that I own. And these two are no better than throwing a rock. I'm willing to wager that I'd inflict more damage with the rock.

so therefore you should just throw rocks before using any gun that isnt capable of enough power to be licenced?...My main focus isnt just hunting game. I would j ust like some nice target practice, clipping off.....random "things" but distance would be funner. .....with the most realism to a real gun as i can.

XtremeEuph · Post by **XtremeEuph** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:14 pm

yeah thats my point though, Slingshots are fun but thats completely different, I want the enjoyment and challenge of sights and a trigger

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:18 pm

375 H&H Magnum, Remington 700 ADL. That's a good feeling. ( although, a little expensive to shoot -- even when doing your own reloading ) But that is moving a wee bit outside the thread topic ... just a wee bit.

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:36 pm

Doc (who airs out his .45-70 when he can afford it)

Speaking of which ...
I owned a Ruger #3 In 45-70 for a while. As I suspect you know, the action is strong enough to withstand hand loading to 458 Win. Mag power ... which I did. However, the #3 in 45-70 is rather light. So your shoulder gets the maximum treatment from the recoil which is absolutely brutal. Plus, your fingers get whack good by the trigger guard. Back in those days, I was a crazy, steroid using power lifter, so this kind of stuff was perverse fun.

One day at the range, some guy, thinking he was shooting a big cannon with his 7mm magnum, wanted to give the 45-70 a try seeing as how I seemed to be enjoying it (and not giving heed to the fact that I was about 225 lbs. and able to bench press 375 and dead lift 650 ... and he could maybe bench press about 150). I warned him that the recoil was significant.
"That's OK. I'm used to shooting that kind of stuff."

Then, he proceeded to shoot in a bench rest position!

Those familiar with shooting know that in a bench rest position, your shoulder is such that it cannot freely moved backward with the recoil. Even in my craziest state of mind, I would not even consider trying to shoot a canon like this in bench rest position.

He handed the rifle back trying his best (but failing) to keep the tears out of his eyes. And (of course!) I have this great big grin inside (shame on me). I eventually decided that the #3 in 45-70 was too little steel for that much caliber and got rid of it.