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Congrats, bloke!
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:37 pm
by WoodSheddin
Ranked Most Dangerous
1. Detroit, Michigan
2. St. Louis, Missouri
3. Flint, Michigan
4. Oakland, California
5. Camden, New Jersey
6. Birmingham, Alabama
7. North Charleston, South Carolina
8. Memphis, Tennessee
9. Richmond, California
10. Cleveland, Ohio
Re: Congrats, bloke!
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:57 pm
by Dan Schultz
WoodSheddin wrote:Ranked Most Dangerous
1. Detroit, Michigan
2. St. Louis, Missouri
3. Flint, Michigan
4. Oakland, California
5. Camden, New Jersey
6. Birmingham, Alabama
7. North Charleston, South Carolina
8. Memphis, Tennessee
9. Richmond, California
10. Cleveland, Ohio
I'm sure Bloke will be the 2nd person to tell you that's the reason he moved OUT of Memphis!
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:28 am
by TexTuba
wchoc86 wrote:umm... remind me never to go to michigan.
Yes, since Detroit is ALL of Michigan...
ha
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:07 am
by RyanSchultz
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:41 am
by tbn.al
Birmingham?
I must be visiting the wrong part of town. My daughter spent 4 years at Southern and 3 at UAB, all hours of the day and night to the hospital without a problem. Lucky I guess?
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:07 am
by lgb&dtuba
Send him to ...Detroit
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:46 am
by dtemp
Allthumbs wrote:wchoc86 wrote:umm... remind me never to go to michigan.
This the reason why I have never, in my various tuba trial travels, made it to Custom Music. It was simply not worth going anywhere near Detroit. Anyone else have the same experience? Maybe they should consider relocating to a more hospitable environment?
Custom Music isn't located near any shady places (IMO). Sure Detroit sucks, but that shouldn't hinder your wanting to go buy tuba. My car was not broken into, I did not get mugged, I came away with no bullet holes, but I did have an extra tuba.
Custom is an experience in itself, and one that every tuba player should have at least once.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:53 am
by djwesp
I'm suprised North Omaha isn't on the list. I've been to all the locations on the list, minus Richmond, California. It seemed worse than any of them.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:05 am
by Dan Schultz
dtemp wrote:Allthumbs wrote:wchoc86 wrote:umm... remind me never to go to michigan.
This the reason why I have never, in my various tuba trial travels, made it to Custom Music. It was simply not worth going anywhere near Detroit. Anyone else have the same experience? Maybe they should consider relocating to a more hospitable environment?
Custom Music isn't located near any shady places (IMO). Sure Detroit sucks, but that shouldn't hinder your wanting to go buy tuba. My car was not broken into, I did not get mugged, I came away with no bullet holes, but I did have an extra tuba.
Custom is an experience in itself, and one that every tuba player should have at least once.
Ditto. There is a large portion of Michigan that surrounds Detroit that does not fall into the same catagory as Detroit 'proper'. I don't think I would want to hang around Downtown Detroit after 9pm.... but I'm not nuts about doing that here at home, either!
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:09 pm
by Biggs
The study drew harsh criticism even before it came out. The American Society of Criminology launched a pre-emptive strike Friday, issuing a statement attacking it as "an irresponsible misuse" of crime data.
and
Detroit police officials released a statement Sunday night disputing the report, saying it fails to put crime information into proper context.
"Every year this organization sends out a press release with big, bold lettering that labels a certain city as Most Dangerous, USA," Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings said in the release.
and
The mayor of 30th-ranked Rochester, N.Y. -- an ex-police chief himself -- said the study's authors should consider the harm that the report causes.
"What I take exception to is the use of these statistics and the damage they inflict on a number of these cities," said Mayor Robert Duffy, chairman of the Criminal and Social Justice Committee for the U.S. Conference of Mayors.
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The rankings "do groundless harm to many communities," said Michael Tonry, president of the American Society of Criminology.
"They also work against a key goal of our society, which is a better understanding of crime-related issues by both scientists and the public," Tonry said.
Critics also complain that numbers don't tell the whole story because of differences among cities.
"You're not comparing apples and oranges; you're comparing watermelons and grapes," said Rob Casey, who heads the FBI section that puts out the Uniform Crime Report that provides the data for the Quitno report.
The FBI posted a statement on its Web site criticizing such use of its statistics.
"These rough rankings provide no insight into the numerous variables that mold crime in a particular town, city, county, state, or region," the FBI said. "Consequently, they lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting communities and their residents."
All of the above quotations are from an AP article about the so-called 'study.' I put no stock in their findings.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:35 pm
by Rick Denney
Biggs wrote:All of the above quotations are from an AP article about the so-called 'study.' I put no stock in their findings.
Actually, the quotes don't challenge the data, they challenge the conclusions that may be drawn from the data.
Given that enforcement in general is lower in these cities, it is plausible that the crime data is actually under-reported compared to places with more vigorous enforcement.
Rick "who has been to all the ranked cities and finds the reported data plausible" Denney
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:59 pm
by tubatooter1940
Interesting that Pat Dailey, who is from Cleveland, wrote in his song "Body Parts": "The Lord was passing out stomachs - said he had stomachs to spare. He said, "Send the strong ones down to Detroit City - takes lots of guts to live there."
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:08 pm
by bort
Euphbate wrote:Wow, Baltimore's not on there?! I love Baltimore, but I coulda swore it would have been on that list.
Well, don't celebrate yet -- I saw on the news that we're #12.
