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Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:41 am
by MartyNeilan
I just finished re-organizing my music bookshelves (after moving 9 crates of music and books back home this evening) and got online to check my email. I was shocked to see the news about Michael Jackson. Although he was considered a weirdo for the last decade, I remember back in the 80's when he was THE MAN. Period. Nobody in the pop world was in the same league as his singing, songwriting, dancing, and video production. He set the standard and opened many doors for other acts yet to come. I was secretly hoping that his shows in London would lose the freakshow and bring back the old M.J. we all loved 25 years ago; he gave a brief glimmer of that at MSG in 2001 and I hoped he still had it in him. Hopefully, he will now find the peace that has eluded him the past 15 years.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:22 am
by The Big Ben
I agree. Michael Jackson was really something special when he was 'on'. I still remember seeing him debut "Billy Jean" and the Moonwalk at the end of the '25 Years of Motown" special. It was an evening of stellar Motown talent. And then it was time for Michael. Amazing.

I understand that some of the 'weirdness' was designed to tweek the media. In an interview, he said that the 'sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber' and the 'I own the bones of the Elephant Man' were put in the press so he could laugh at the reaction.

The other 'weirdness'- the surgeries and the children- made my jaw drop and be confused as to what was wrong with the guy because it went so much further than "eccentric rich guy" behavior.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:16 am
by tubashaman2
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Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:46 am
by Dean E
Not ONE word about his children in the media hoopla. I hope for the children's sake that they had trust funds because his estate is not worth anything.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:58 pm
by Matt G
Dean E wrote:Not ONE word about his children in the media hoopla. I hope for the children's sake that they had trust funds because his estate is not worth anything.
The children have been referenced quite a bit on the TV news. Probably a large reason why there isn't more is because these children were fairly well hidden in the last few years.

His estate still has a large amount of value, it is just that he has been cash flow negative in the last decade. His assets, specifically his recording/publishing rights, have the ability to earn significant income in the future, as long as the same extravagant lifestyle they tried to finance is no longer in place.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:07 pm
by The Big Ben
the elephant wrote:And what shall become of the Beatles catalogue?
His debtors will get it.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:00 pm
by Dan Schultz
Michael Jackson was headlines in the Evansville Courier this morning. Farrah was back on page 11. Ed McMahon didn't make it at all. It just goes to show you who's pulling the strings on American values, doesn't it!

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:04 pm
by The Big Ben
TubaTinker wrote:Michael Jackson was headlines in the Evansville Courier this morning. Farrah was back on page 11. Ed McMahon didn't make it at all. It just goes to show you who's pulling the strings on American values, doesn't it!
Well, Farrah's been sick for a few years so it was not a surprise that she passed. Jackson was preparing to go on tour soon. By the looks of the coverage so far, he may have died of a drug overdose ala Elvis.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:48 pm
by bort
The Big Ben wrote:
TubaTinker wrote:Michael Jackson was headlines in the Evansville Courier this morning. Farrah was back on page 11. Ed McMahon didn't make it at all. It just goes to show you who's pulling the strings on American values, doesn't it!
Well, Farrah's been sick for a few years so it was not a surprise that she passed. Jackson was preparing to go on tour soon. By the looks of the coverage so far, he may have died of a drug overdose ala Elvis.
Bingo. This was totally unexpected. I think Andy Rooney did a bit about this a while ago, how when famous people get really old, TV networks have their video montage/clip show of their lives ready to go. But how many people woke up yesterday morning and expected to hear THAT news yesterday?

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:58 pm
by MartyNeilan
bort wrote:Bingo. This was totally unexpected. I think Andy Rooney did a bit about this a while ago, how when famous people get really old, TV networks have their video montage/clip show of their lives ready to go. But how many people woke up yesterday morning and expected to hear THAT news yesterday?
I remember when I was young, and my mother cam in upset one day and said that Elvis had died. It didn't really mean a whole lot to me at the time, I remember more trying to figure out who Elvis was and why my mother was upset. A couple years later I remember her coming in and telling me John Wayne had died. I vaguely knew him as some kind of cowboy, but that was the extent of it. Again, it was her reaction that made remember this.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:00 pm
by Dan Schultz
bort wrote:.... This was totally unexpected..... But how many people woke up yesterday morning and expected to hear THAT news yesterday?
Actually, I've been expecting something like this out of Wacko Jacko for some time now. He didn't earn that nickname for nothing. :wink:

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:39 pm
by The Big Ben
To hijack this post a little:

Here's an interesting article about the passing of Farrah Fawcett:

http://www.seattlepi.com/ae/407622_farrah25.html" target="_blank" target="_blank

She became famous from a poster in 1976 that she and a photog. did on spec to see how it would go. It went and all the young women in the country wanted to have hair like her.

Her early acting was kind of airy but, throughout the rest of her life, she strived to be something more than the girl in the poster. She kind of pulled it off, too, and critics have said that her best efforts were when she was in her 50's.

Her attitude of 'keep pushing for my goals" would be good for us all to have...

Jeff "And what a smile!" Benedict

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:06 am
by LoyalTubist
As a musician, I had all the respect in the world for Michael Jackson. Shoot, from the time he could talk, his daddy had him singing in front of people. Music lessons, public performances, and not a typical childhood like most of us here at TubeNet. He never did get to be a child.

Fred Astaire thought Mike was the greatest dancer he had ever seen and that respect was mutual.

As far as his personal life, he never really got to be a child. No, I wouldn't let my daughter play with him, if he asked me. I wouldn't do that with most adults who have nothing better to do than play with children in their spare time alone.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:30 am
by rocksanddirt
LoyalTubist wrote:As a musician, I had all the respect in the world for Michael Jackson. Shoot, from the time he could talk, his daddy had him singing in front of people. Music lessons, public performances, and not a typical childhood like most of us here at TubeNet. He never did get to be a child.

Fred Astaire thought Mike was the greatest dancer he had ever seen and that respect was mutual.

As far as his personal life, he never really got to be a child. No, I wouldn't let my daughter play with him, if he asked me. I wouldn't do that with most adults who have nothing better to do than play with children in their spare time alone.
I agree with Loyal. I've always felt bad for him, in his private life. He was/is one of the most gifted artists of the 20th century, and "Thriller" stands up the anyone elses masterpiece, in any genre.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:45 am
by Tubaryan12
TubaTinker wrote:Michael Jackson was headlines in the Evansville Courier this morning. Farrah was back on page 11. Ed McMahon didn't make it at all. It just goes to show you who's pulling the strings on American values, doesn't it!
Not who, but what. It just shows who was the most famous of the 3. Fame sells....and money has been what pulls the strings in this country since the beginning.

My best Michael Jackson memory is this:

My freshman year at Tuskegee was the year "Thriller" was released. At that time, everyone was doing a dance call the Smurf. Whenever the song "Billy Jean" would get played on the radio, every guy in their room would turn up the radio, open their door, and go out in the hall and do the Smurf. The second the song ended, the radios would go back down and everyone would go back into their room and do whatever they were doing before. I wish I had a video camera back then. The sight of us was too funny.

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:14 am
by LoyalTubist
Paul Petersen wrote:Michael Jackson
1958-2009


Quoted from the webpage for A Minor Consideration

Reluctance doesn’t begin to describe how I feel this morning as I contemplate an obituary on Michael Jackson. Four people I know have died in the past four days. Three of them you know. I am sitting in a waiting room at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Burbank as my wife, Rana Platz-Petersen, RN, undergoes some scheduled and unscheduled tests. I have been here for 2 ½ hours. I am fearful for many reasons. Rana, if you don’t know, is a show business nurse…34 years with CBS…and the Business Rep for Studio First Aid. Injuries and deaths within the “community” are her stock in trade. Rana is a true Insider. If someone is employed in the entertainment industry and has a medical condition, she’ll know about it. She has to.

I stepped out to the car a few minutes ago to pick up phone messages at home and turned on to a local news station, KFI, and listened to a report that did not surprise me. You may have heard that a silver BMW was towed away from the rented Holmby Hills home of Michael Jackson. The car belongs to Dr. Conrad Murray, the physician who was actually present when Michael Jackson stopped breathing. The UK tabloids are reporting that Dr. Murray was in the home to administer an injection of Demerol to Michael whose history with pain-killers has been well documented in the world’s Press. MJ himself admitted to treatment. It is being reported that Dr. Murray was giving Michael CPR when the paramedics arrived shortly after Noon…yesterday, June 25th…a date that a lot of us are not going to forget.

Dr. Murray has gone missing. Elvis echoes are all around me. Mental snapshots of River Phoenix and Anna Nicole Smith are swimming through my mind. The connections are too obvious to ignore.

If you examine the recent images of Michael Jackson, or talk to the people who were rehearsing with him for the now-cancelled tour dates, you must acknowledge that he was painfully thin…anorexic, in fact…and if you admit that Michael was known for altering his appearance by the most radical means then you will remember Karen Carpenter, another anorexic raised and trained to please others and her tragic, unexpected death in the home of her mother.

Anorexics, over time, do tremendous damage to their bodies’ chemistry in their quest to be super-thin…dangerously thin. Thomas Wolfe called the girls of Hollywood and Wall St., “X-Ray women” for their skeletal appearance when seen in the flesh. This disease was once the province of adolescent females but has spread into the entire entertainment community because of its (Hollywood’s) obsession with appearance; boys included who spend too many hours peering at themselves in gym mirrors.

A drug-addicted anorexic is vulnerable to sudden and unexpected reactions to pharmaceuticals, and I fear that’s what happened yesterday. The wrong diet, an unrevealed drug that was self-administered, high levels of stress, and contra-indicated medications in abundance and you suddenly have a Heath Ledger.

The point is that an anorexic may sail along taking prescription drugs for months…years… then suddenly have a negative reaction…a heart attack or seizures.

I want to scream…or weep…or somehow express my frustration…but this is a hospital waiting room and there are lots of folks with me with pain etched in their faces as they wait for their loved ones. I am just one among many.

“Oh no, not another one…not little Michael. It can’t be true.”

But another part of me, the part that has witnessed so many unhappy endings, that other part of me knows better. There are demons even in the stratosphere and they would demand an untidy end for Michael Jackson.

I feel cheated. I honestly do. I was praying that Michael’s tour would be a smashing success…bigger than Elvis’ return in Vegas, bigger than Judy Garland’s comeback performance in Carnegie Hall. I wanted him to come back bigger and better than ever. I wanted a miracle.

Then I remembered who I was comparing Michael to…Elvis and Judy. I know better…and so do you, dear reader. We put up with too much and demand too much.

I can hear the voices: “If you’re going to screw up your life like you have, Michael, then you better be really good when you comeback.”

Forgiveness is conditional when it comes to a celebrity, even one with transcendent skills like Michael Jackson. The mountain proved to be too high.

I hope the autopsy is inconclusive. I hope the toxicology tests come back clean. I hope the police find Dr. Murray and he’s dragged before the bar.

I hope Rana’s tests come back positive, and here she is now, my Rana-Girl, wife of 20 years and the best friend I’ve ever had. Please God, let us enjoy a healthy future. That’s only fair, I think as we head for the car.

K-Earth 101 is playing all Michael Jackson songs. News is that the top fifteen album downloads are all Michael Jackson. Of course.

It’s reported Michael recorded more than one hundred songs that have never been released so his children would have a lifeline to prosperity and a way to survive the crushing debts Michael left behind.

It’s a downright dirty shame, that’s what it is. Rana and I finally turn off the radio to quiet our minds. We have a funeral to attend today. Gary Toya lost his battle with kidney disease while waiting in vain for a transplant.

I don’t know what to say. Really, I don’t. With all his success Michael Jackson was a remote and tormented soul living in a world of his own making where performing for the masses, appealing to all of humanity, estranged him from real-life people who might have been able to tell him he was dangerously off the rails. The person who signs the check often doesn’t hear the truth. The question is, do the brilliant music and his performance skills make up for the indebtedness and questionable personal conduct?

At the Gary Toya memorial service, which was filled with humor and love as the life of a man who never left his community (and threw the best parties known to Gardena), who knew by name all the families and their interconnections in town and loved golf despite three hip replacement…a man who had friends of 58 years smiling at his memory…whose friends spoke of all the laughter Toya generated and his courage when his kidney’s failed…this man was laid to rest with all of us knowing that he never failed his obligations as a son, a friend, an Uncle and that he died gracefully as a citizen of substance.

Gary Toya didn’t have to hide in the spotlight to cover his failings. There was no need. He touched people’s lives face-to-face for the entirety of his life. There were no secret rooms in his house or exotic pets and carnival rides outside, yet children loved him, especially his nephews who spoke movingly at the service and made me cry.

I’m thinking of Farrah Fawcett and Ed McMahon, two people I knew well and saw often during my years in this town. Here’s the poem that was read during Gary’s memorial…and reprinted below for you to consider as we weigh and measure the lives of people who have left us:

Success
To laugh often and much;
to win the respect of intelligent people
and the affection of children;
to earn the appreciation of honest critics;
to appreciate beauty;
to find the best in others;
to leave the world a bit better
whether by a healthy child,
a garden patch
or a redeemed social condition;
to know even one life has breathed easier
because you have lived.
This is to have succeeded.

— Ralph Waldo Emerson

I have this poem above my desk thanks to a pal in Topeka, Kansas, Jim Cates…right next to Mother Teresa’s prayer. I’m looking at both right now. If you’re interested, here’s a link:
Paul Petersen

Re: Michael Jackson 1958 - 2009

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:48 pm
by Dylan King
My good friend, Bill Bowmer, wrote this about M.J.

God has a plan to heal Michael Jackson
By William Bowmer | Saturday, June 27, 2009

Deeply loved by his fans, Michael Jackson was nevertheless a polarizing figure. Will he be remembered for the wide-eyed exuberance he showed as a pre-teen sensation in The Jackson 5? Will he be lauded for “We Are the World” and its charitable outreach to starving Africa? Or will he simply be “Wacko Jacko”—a confused narcissist and alleged pedophile who literally seemed uncomfortable in his own skin, who by the end of his life had become a walking advertisement for the dangers of too much plastic surgery?

Michael Jackson never had a normal childhood. His father Joseph recognized talent in young Michael and his brothers, and before Michael was ten years old he was working day and night in the family act. Later, Michael would say that these were times of terrible suffering as he chafed under his father’s alleged physical and emotional abuse. The Jackson 5 had several hit songs, but this early “success” took a heavy toll on young Michael, planting seeds of hurt and distrust that grew into a powerful force later in the troubled singer’s life.

Jackson may be as famous for his plastic surgery as for his music. Beginning with a 1979 rhinoplasty after he broke his nose during a complex dance routine, Jackson underwent increasingly frequent operations, either to fix perceived problems or simply to change his appearance. Although Jackson often romanticized the idea of childhood, he spent his adult life transforming his body into something further and further removed from how it had appeared in his youth.

Why did he do this? We cannot get inside Jackson’s head to say for sure. But can you imagine what it must have been like for a talented toddler to replace his father as the main breadwinner for his family while he was still grade-school-age? What was it like to be too young to drive a car, but already to be responsible for the economic livelihood not only of his father, but of dozens of artists, managers and others in his entourage? How many of us can be sure that we would not react to the stress even less successfully than Jackson did?

Jackson spent much of his life searching for something he never found. Brought up as a Jehovah’s Witness, he briefly married a Scientologist, and professed to have converted to Islam before he died. Now that he is dead, what will be his fate?

Considering the often-debased lyrics in his songs and the troubling actions in his personal life, millions of “mainstream” Christians today will tell you with assurance, “Michael has gone to hell forever.” But is that true? Did God give Jackson a tragically unhappy childhood, an unnatural early celebrity and a miserable premature death as the prelude to an eternity of unspeakably painful torture?

God’s word says, “No!” Scripture tells us that the vast majority of human beings who have lived in this present age—who have never heard the true Gospel, living and dying while blinded by Satan, the “god of this age” (2 Corinthians 4:4)—will be raised again to physical life at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11). Jackson’s life certainly displayed many indications that he is among those who are “blinded,” who will be raised in the Great White Throne Judgment and for the first time experience a healthy society under God’s loving rule. Healed of his childhood traumas and his lifetime of suffering, Jackson will then be able to look back at the troubles of his life, compare them to the blessings of living God’s way—and, for the first time, be able to accept Jesus Christ as his Savior.

Anciently, King David sang and danced in praise of God. A time is yet coming when the former self-styled “King of Pop” will, like David, be able to use his talent singing and dancing in praise of the King of kings. No longer motivated by fear or the need to provide for his father, Jackson will finally be able to praise the Father who loves him more than any fan of The Jackson 5 ever has—or ever will.

To learn more about what will happen to Michael Jackson and billions of others like him, read our article “What Happens When You Die?” or our booklet Is This the Only Day of Salvation? Scripture reveals that God’s plan for human beings is both just and merciful.

From http://www.lcg.org