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I've been thinking about this topic ever since reading another thread a couple of weeks ago. If you are thinking of relocating in the continental U.S., shouldn't you head South? Everyone else seems to be.

There are 16 homes on my street in Marietta, GA a suburb of Atlanta. 13 of the families are native born Americans and 3 are foreign born immigrants. Of the 13, 10 are Northern transplants and one is from the West. This got me to wondering what trends this might indicate.

The US Census Department reports the following demographices by region for 2000/2030.

% of total US population by region 2000/% projected total US population 2030
South 36/40
West 23/25
Midwest 22/19
North East 19/16

The North East still has most of the money but that is changing also. In 4 of the last 7 years reported, the South led the nation in per capita income growth. Of course we have had a long, hard road since Sherman's visit, but we are most assuredly gaining. As my grandfather used to say, "Save your Confederate money boys........." Not in my lifetime, but you twenty-somethings better take heed.

All Yankees aren't bad. Many don't try to change their new surroundings, only the stupid ones. My favorites neighbors are both Yankees, one from NYC and the other from Chicago. Wonderful people. My least favorite is my Georgia born nextdoor rock drummer idiot. The nicest guy on the block is from India and the meanest moved here from Las Vegas. He wears black shirts and black ties too. People are people everywhere, some good, some not so. My point is that the South is likely to treat the most folks better than other places economically, over the next 20 years.

bloke wrote:One interesting thing that I've noticed is that (whether people move 10 miles or 1000 miles) they tend to want to CHANGE everything in the new/better place to mimic the crappier existence they left behind. I don't need to go into the thousands of types of examples of this regarding the crap that yankees have dragged southward, but...

This is typical whenever people move from place to place. I live in a town that has doubled in population in the last 30 years and there haven't been that many babies born. Port Townsend is a pretty nice place and the real estate prices looked pretty good compared to the California where they came from. "Why can't we have <state the topic> the same as we had in California?" is a common refrain.

Although I agree that the current trend is to move to the south, it definitely seems like something like this is cyclical.

Could be cyclical. If so it's a pretty long running cycle. Maybe is has nothing to do with cycles. Maybe it's this!

I was born at Cedars of Lebanon Hospital on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, CA. Raised on the mean-streets of L.A. in a show business family, rubbing shoulders with Presidents and movie stars. I went to the Hamilton High School Academy of Music, the premiere music high school in Southern California (studying tuba with Doug Tornquist starting in the ninth grade), and then on to UCLA on a full tuba scholarship, studying with Tommy Johnson. After years of struggling as a musician, I finally started to have a nice career as a film composer, but I never quite felt like I fit in...

I always wanted more of a "country" life.

Then I saw a program late at night on WGN TV out of Chicago about the truth of God and the Bible.
See http://www.tomorrowsworld.org.

It changed my life! I changed my life (2 Corinthians 7:10)! I became a Christian, and have since moved to Charlotte, NC to work on that very same TV show that first presented the truth to me.

I was married to a BEAUTIFUL young woman. Blessed with a beautiful home in Huntersville, NC -- next to a miniature horse ranch.

My mother still owns a beautiful house in the Hollywood Hills, but has since moved to McLean, VA -- and is happy there. If I never return to Southern California, it will be just fine for me. I don't think I'm missing ANYTHING living here in a small town like Huntersville, making FAR LESS dough than I would be making back in Los Angeles.

I have never been happier. We hope to have children soon, and more than anything pray for God's kingdom to come to this earth, soon!

"Beavers build houses; but they build them in nowise differently, or better now, than they did, five thousand years ago. Ants, and honey-bees, provide food for winter; but just in the same way they did, when Solomon referred the sluggard to them as patterns of prudence. Man is not the only animal who labors; but he is the only one who improves his workmanship."The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, "First Lecture on Discoveries and Inventions" (April 6, 1858), p. 437

If I had to move somewhere, it would probably to Nevada, Florida or Tennessee - states with no state income tax, although Tennessee has a state tax on investments.

the elephant wrote:There are many hundreds of clean and safe bathrooms in Manhattan if you live there and learn how to find them. My Army band had a wonderful tourist map of Manhattan with tons of toilets marked on it with directions for how to get in to use them and such. It was a great thing. I was caretaker of the Pee Map for about a year or so. I was in charge of updating the master copy with all reports by bandsmen and also added about thirty or so more locations while I was the Pee Map NCOIC.

I'll keep that in mind. With my bladder, I don't want to be someplace where a "Pee Map" is necessary.

As parts of the south continue to suffer drought, I would expect that the cost of potable water will become prohibitive for many, causing some folks to come back north.

Uncle Buck wrote:

the elephant wrote:There are many hundreds of clean and safe bathrooms in Manhattan if you live there and learn how to find them. My Army band had a wonderful tourist map of Manhattan with tons of toilets marked on it with directions for how to get in to use them and such. It was a great thing. I was caretaker of the Pee Map for about a year or so. I was in charge of updating the master copy with all reports by bandsmen and also added about thirty or so more locations while I was the Pee Map NCOIC.

I'll keep that in mind. With my bladder, I don't want to be someplace where a "Pee Map" is necessary.

Also keep in mind, Wade's experience in NYC was some time ago. Things have changed quite a bit in that city, especially Manhattan. Parts of Manhattan which one used to avoid, like Times Square, Hells Kitchen, and Harlem, have been transformed into nice, safe areas. My trick for finding a bathroom in midtown, is to locate the nearest hotel (and there's plenty of them). Always clean, always available. I don't think a map is really needed these days.

Uncle Buck wrote:

the elephant wrote:There are many hundreds of clean and safe bathrooms in Manhattan if you live there and learn how to find them. My Army band had a wonderful tourist map of Manhattan with tons of toilets marked on it with directions for how to get in to use them and such. It was a great thing. I was caretaker of the Pee Map for about a year or so. I was in charge of updating the master copy with all reports by bandsmen and also added about thirty or so more locations while I was the Pee Map NCOIC.

I'll keep that in mind. With my bladder, I don't want to be someplace where a "Pee Map" is necessary.

Just like in Chicago, if you have to pee and you have 3 or more people with you, (and you don't notice any cops around,) gather around a metro vent and have your party surround while you empty your bladder. I've seen it done before.

bloke wrote:

jacojdm wrote:As parts of the south continue to suffer drought, I would expect that the cost of potable water will become prohibitive for many, causing some folks to come back north.

Which parts...??

My parts are drowning. We had more rain this September and October than anytime in recorded history. The lakes are all over full, some at flood stage. The ground is saturated to the extent that a one inch rain prediction caused the NWS to issue a flood warning last week. Crops are rotting in the fields. Southern drought is certainly old news. It may return, but the water we have stockpiled now will last us a couple of years. Just long enough to get the issues with our neighbors settled, maybe.

Tulsa is no longer the Oil Capitol, that is now Houston. But, being the birthplace of QuikTrip, it could be the convenience store capitol where there is at least one within three minutes of where you are (as long as you aren't on the northside), open 24/7, and equipped with a public toilet. A veritable paradise for the weakest of bladders.

I'm not recommending you move into the city of Tulsa -- unless you really like to pee and don't mind well above average crime and below average schools, but some of the burbs are still quite nice, and the metropolitan area is still economically better off than most of the country.

I did have to ask for it, but by virtue of turning 63( if there is any virtue in that), the county just lowered my property tax by 67%. I am now only paying twice what bloke is.

Truth to power......pftt. Truth IS power?

Truth is but a figment of your active imagination.

bloke wrote:edit:

tbn.al wrote:TIME is but a figment of your active imagination.

There you go, putting words in my mouth again. I knew you would have to surface for that one.

tbn.al wrote:Where should you move?

Apparently, the sale of nearly 10 grand of brass was still not enough to move me off the couch in the garage.
Where should I move?

How much was that per pound Marty?