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Re: southern mores

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:47 pm
by Dan Schultz
While on our recent trip to New Orleans and other points in Louisiana... we 'stumbled' onto a Southern Cotillion that was taking place at Nottaway Plantation. Apparently the whole idea of these events is to teach young ladies and gentlemen some manners.
http://www.nljc.com/

Re: southern mores

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:30 pm
by gilmored
I'm having to get used to being called Mr. and sir. I'm 23 and am not used to younger people addressing me this way. I met with a young high schooler and then tought a 3rd grade music class last week. To them I am Mr. Gilmore. I like it, just not used to it.

What about you? Should I address you as Mr. Bloke? Mr. Joe? Mr. Sellmansberger? or just a random hey you, the tuba fixit man

Re: southern mores

Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:45 pm
by SRanney
I was born in Charleston, SC, raised in Birmingham, AL and Marietta, GA. Until one of my "elders" (e.g., professor, friends' parents, etc.) tells me that I can address them by their first name, they are Dr./Mr./Mrs. Last Name. Once I am allowed to address them by their first name, I consider myself to have gained their respect.

Email acquaintances are another story!

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:57 am
by cjk
LJV wrote:So, in Memphis, do they say,"Mr. Joe, gimme yer f@!#in' wallet, or I'll pop a cap in yo a$$?"

Noting that it seems as those who really need mores never get them.

That would be:

Mr. Joe, gimme yer f@!#in' wallet, or I'll pop a cap in yo a$$, sir!

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:58 pm
by Teubonium
When I was a civilian employee of the Air Force a new boss arrived and in introducing himself to his people he said:

"I want us to be on a first-name basis here. My first name is Colonel".

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:51 pm
by MartyNeilan
Up north, people talk to you in the same manner as they treat you, be it good or bad.
Down south, people sweet talk your face and stab your back.
I much prefer the northern version.

AND, I know what "bless your heart" really means :twisted:

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:35 pm
by Virtuoso
Well I've lived all over the country, from the midwest to the coast back to the south and up to the great north, and spent most of my time living in different cities in the south. Of all the places I've been, though, the south has, in general, the best manners, even if they lack other standards.

I personally always give an older person their respective title when addressing them, when i have any idea as to what that title should be. I usually don't on the internet, though, because I dont' know anything baout anyone else on the internet.

MartyNeilan wrote: AND, I know what "bless your heart" really means :twisted:
HA! (especially when they say it "little" heart)

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:45 pm
by lgb&dtuba
MartyNeilan wrote:Up north, people talk to you in the same manner as they treat you, be it good or bad.
Down south, people sweet talk your face and stab your back.
I much prefer the northern version.

AND, I know what "bless your heart" really means :twisted:
That's nice.

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 3:55 pm
by bort
MartyNeilan wrote:Up north, people talk to you in the same manner as they treat you, be it good or bad.
Down south, people sweet talk your face and stab your back.
I much prefer the northern version.

AND, I know what "bless your heart" really means :twisted:
What's the saying? "Southern women aren't nicer. They just talk nicer."

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:07 pm
by djwesp
NOTE: The following is a list of GROSSLY GENERALIZED thoughts. I am FROM the south. I have lived in the north for 1/5th of my life. These thoughts are from personal experiences amassed traveling the country with musical groups and college/working experience north of the mason dixon line. Don't be offended by my thoughts, they are just thoughts and things I find endearing about the south. They are not true everywhere, just as any time you generalize you are liable to upset people, I ask ahead, you do not. It is kind of embarassing to have to give a disclaimer to the politically correct, but I figure it will save some flaming in the long run.



Holding the door open for women-- A staple of the south lacking in other areas. In 2005, in Rockford, Illinois, I held the door open for a woman at a gas station. She just looked at me and said, "Why don't you just go back to the south where you belong." Definitely made me want to.

Drinking Iced Tea-- Sure, people drink tons of Iced Tea all over this great nation. Think about the south, and every type of iced tea imaginable. Sweet Tea, unsweet tea, sun tea, arnold palmers. Go to a restaurant in the south and it is not uncommon to have 2 or 3 tea choices. You are lucky to get Nestea out of the soda spicket at some restaurants in other areas.

Moonpies-- Tons of people in areas other than south have no idea what a moonpie even is. Let alone how good it is with an RC Cola out of a glass bottle.

Learning how to shake hands properly-- One of the very first "sit down" conversations I had with my father was about how to "shake hands with people at church". He told me how one of the measures of a man was how he shook hands. We worked on it for days.

Calling strangers sir and ma'am until they ask you to do so otherwise (even then not always doing it)-- Self explanatory. When I call younger women "ma'am" out of respect at places of business in Minnesota I get stares and comments like, "don't call me ma'am, it makes me feel old." In the south, the respect that comes with it is widely respected and understood.

Cornbread-- Seriously, white cornbread? Sure, you can call that cornbread all you want, but it isn't "cornbread". Cornbread is yellow and comes from a cast iron skillet or grammas favorite pan. Jiffy is not cornbread. Sugar, some cornmeal, and bleached white flour is NOT cornbread.

the term of endearment "honey/hon"-- When an older woman in the south looks at me and sticks her hand out and puts it on my shoulder and addresses me as "hun" or "honey", I know I am back to the south. It is comforting and reminds me of small towns where all of the mothers watched out for all of us kids.

The ability to fix and keep your things in working order-- When I tell people I do my own car repairs, oil changes, home repairs, etc in the north, most are surprised. It is a lot easier to throw it away and start new, or pay someone an arm and a leg to do it. When I talk about fixing my car and working on home repairs to southerners, they give me advice. :-)

Glass coke bottles with peanuts-- Maybe a very specific regional thing, but when I was a little kid the old timers would sit on chairs in front of the gas station/country store, listening to baseball on the radio, drinking coke out of glass bottles that they had poured a packet of peanuts in. Sip, sip, crunch, crunch, and just rambling about whatever was on their minds.

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:11 pm
by Dan Schultz
lgb&dtuba wrote:
MartyNeilan wrote:Up north, people talk to you in the same manner as they treat you, be it good or bad.
Down south, people sweet talk your face and stab your back.
I much prefer the northern version.

AND, I know what "bless your heart" really means :twisted:
That's nice.
Yes.... and I've heard the joke that uses "That's nice" as the punch line! :lol:

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:21 pm
by bort
djwesp wrote:NOTE: The following is a list of GROSSLY GENERALIZED thoughts.
I think people up north (at least in NYC) are more courteous with doors and elevators than you'd think. Nearly EVERY building I've ever been in here, elevator door opens, men wait for the women to leave. Pretty tacky for a dude to cut off a lady and run out of the elevator first.

(Perhaps the men do this for courtesy, perhaps the men do this to check them out. Probably both. :))

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 6:34 pm
by The Jackson
I'm consistently shocked and dejected when I see the apathetic demeanor lots of young people around here exhibit. I just don't get it, really. I'm not versed in the "Southern" traditions of behavior and etiquette, but I just try to be a nice guy. If you are going into a building and someone is right behind you, why not just open the door first and let them go through? :|

I take the name addressing seriously. It's always Mister, Missus, Miss, Sir, and Ma'am until I am requested to do otherwise. To me, that's just the way it is when speaking with an adult.

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:59 pm
by steve_decker
I can hardly believe I'm getting sucked into another one of Bloke's southern superiority threads BUT, in reference to this...
djwesp wrote: Holding the door open for women-- A staple of the south lacking in other areas. In 2005, in Rockford, Illinois, I held the door open for a woman at a gas station. She just looked at me and said, "Why don't you just go back to the south where you belong." Definitely made me want to.
One of the things that my wife still finds astonishing after 4 years in North Georgia is her experience with holding the door open. Her nearly universal experience is a lack of this courtesy down here. Anytime we journey back towards home (Michigan), she notices the door being held for her (if me or my boys are not nearby) right around the time we hit Ohio.

Under the previously posted disclaimer, a few other observations...

1. I agree with Marty, you never wonder if a Yank has a problem with you; it will be obvious.

2. "Southern hospitality" is an oxymoron. Most true Southerners are very hospitable as long as you're visiting. If you plan on living here... completely different story.

3. Down here, I've never been asked "do you go to church?" it's always "where do you go to church?". That part is kind of nice, the scorn suffered when your chosen church has been deemed unacceptable by the individual asking the question is indescribable.

Re: southern mores

Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:39 pm
by djwesp
steve_decker wrote:she notices the door being held for her (if me or my boys are not nearby) right around the time we hit Ohio.

That's very unfortunate, steve. At least, hopefully, we all can agree that this is something that needs to be employed EVERYWHERE. I think it is a simple gesture with a lot of meaning. Plus, if your wife has your taste in guns, people need to be nice to her :-)
steve_decker wrote: 1. I agree with Marty, you never wonder if a Yank has a problem with you; it will be obvious.
Eh, I dunno. I consider Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa--- "Yanks". Seems to me they have the passive aggressive, "i'll be nice to you no matter what even if I secretly despise you" down pat. The southern way involves a lot of thinly veiled sarcasm in showing distaste for another. Not that that is any better or worse.
steve_decker wrote: 2. "Southern hospitality" is an oxymoron. Most true Southerners are very hospitable as long as you're visiting. If you plan on living here... completely different story.
Agreed. There is a sense of dislike for many of the retired Chicagoans, New Yorkers, ETC that seek out fishing areas/touristy/scenic view areas of the south. It is an odd love hate relationships that shouldn't really be there considering the livelyhood of many of these towns relies on the transplants and vacationers. My hometown, Hot Springs(AR), Gatlinburg(TN), Panhandle(FL), Gulf Shores(AL), and others are just a few examples.
steve_decker wrote: 3. Down here, I've never been asked "do you go to church?" it's always "where do you go to church?". That part is kind of nice, the scorn suffered when your chosen church has been deemed unacceptable by the individual asking the question is indescribable.
I can see that, too. There have been several times I've been asked what "flavor" Baptist I am. :-)

Re: southern mores

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 11:08 pm
by bort
I had grits today for the first time in several years. Just can't find them around these parts too often. I want more!!

Re: southern mores

Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 11:28 pm
by djwesp
Best grits I have ever eaten were in NYC.

Melba's Chicken and Waffles in harlem. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm.