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More than a few people have commented on the surprisingly nasty environment here on Tubenet, for a community you'd think wouldn't be so ill humored - tuba players? (I thought fat people were jolly! heh heh) I'm sure it would be Herculean task to clean it up now, because this has been going on for years and by now has become part of the reason why people come here or don't come here. I'm also pretty sure no one (Sean) cares enough to take that on, and few sane people would want to put his boots on and head into that stable. But just hypothetically, if you were in charge ...

A three strike policy:

Warning
Suspension
Account disabled

A disabled account doesn't mean that the person can't re-register with another name. Just that after some point, even an agitator will find it's not worth the time or effort to keep making new screen names just to mess with people.

On the other hand, if the person is actually sorry about being a jerk (or enough of a jerk to get sent on "vacation"), a disabled account is actually doing them a favor. They can restart from a blank slate, and if they can behave reasonably, the bad behavior of getting kicked out doesn't have to be a stigma they live with. I mean c'mon, it's TubeNet, it's not that serious.

bort wrote:I mean c'mon, it's TubeNet, it's not that serious.

NOT THAT SERIOUS?!!!

bort wrote:A three strike policy:

See, if I were in charge, moderation could include removal of inane answers. Like, taking the most recent thread here on Navy deployment for an example, the first half dozen followups were not answers, or even attempts to answer the question by posing a question. I'd pull them, and if you persisted in posting junk that's going to be cleaned up, I'd get rid of you.

Likewise with your post, albeit not as quarrelsome as those were: it would count as an inane because it completely fails to address the question at hand. Would that, in your view, qualify as your first strike? That's what I'm talking about, not the process.

Because it is a good movie. Well written. Well acted. Well filmed. Much to be learned from it.

I have gone over the edge with posts. Any person who denies this and says he/she has not, well, that person speaks no truth otherwise.

The issue is not whether a person goes over the edge posting. We all get too angry/frustrated/cute/sarcastic/bad joking/etc., and post in reaction or in reply. The key is what the person posting does about it.

I am in favor of suspension, and after a waiting period, submission for reinstatement conditioned on acknowledgment of responsibility coupled with a sincere promise, with observable actions and change of behavior, to do better. This is what Western Civilization is all about (and is how I approached my job when I was an assistant prosecuting attorney):

"Mercy seasons Justice"
Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice" Act IV sc. i.

"I shall temper so justice with mercy"
Milton, "Paradise Lost," Bk 10, line 77, 1795

"For judgment will be without mercy to anyone who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment." James 2:13

Tubenet Vacation Bus takes vacationing TubeNetters for a ride through scenic SF. Meanwhile scores of TubeNetters not on vacation line the road forming a gauntlet to settle old scores by taking random potshots all the while humming the old children's song about the wheels on the bus:

The people on the bus go up and down;
up and down;
up and down.
The people on the bus go up and down,
all through the town!

Utilizing this and the Great Gretzky mantra of don't aim where they are - aim where they are going to be!





Oh wait - that's just a ride on the CTA these days.

BTW - Are we talking PAID vacations?

Mercy? That too seems to be more of a process issue, but it's to the point.

Mutual respect is an essential quality of a civilized community, and I suppose most problem behaviors can be reduced to that issue. A moderator who can tell the difference, can take that perspective and rule with the wisdom of Solomon.

Paid vacations? Yes. Assign a reasonable value to your time, and consider that your hourly wage for time not spent on Tubenet.

The Official TubeNet Vacation Compliance Officer forcing members to take their vacations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUKV9TKBEwo

I see him in his boxing movie role, doing what he has to do for his friend, with love and respect. Outcome is the same, though.

It seems to me that some folks want to censor anything they'd rather not see. They wish to control what is being said, making certain it conforms with whatever it is they deem pertinent. I don't feel that level of control is necessary. Just because I post something which annoys you doesn't entitle me to be sent on "a Tubenet vacation." At least, in my opinion, it doesn't. There are certainly posts which clearly "step over the line"(i.e.inappropriate language, inappropriate pics, etc). There are some actions which I believe the majority of us would agree don't belong on TubeNet.

Personally, I believe the present system works just fine. If I don't like your posts, I just don't read them. Simple as that. Wayne does an outstanding job, in my opinion.

Musicians who play other instruments seem to be able to have online bulletin boards that are more civil and generally more respectful of the purpose of the thing. I don't personally mind a little conflict so much, but my understanding has been that many tuba players don't find this so attractive as some of you do. I could be wrong.

TubaRay wrote:....Wayne does an outstanding job, in my opinion.

+1. However... Wayne works waaaaay harder that he should just because of a few folks who think they have the right to be as rotten as they want.

Missouri wrote:Something that I can't see ...

What???

Missouri wrote:Most of the Chinese horn supporters have put me on their foe lists. Feel free to do the same.

Lighten up, James.

bloke wrote: ...and - while we're at it - we need a better name than "tubenet"...

TITEAFFTAADOALBIITASOAWIICPIOTSTPATR

The International Tuba Euphonium Association Forum For The Analysis And Dissemination Of Arcane Low Brass Ideas In The Abstract Separation of a Whole Into Its Constituent Parts in Order to Study the Parts and their Relations

Catchy, easy to say, and last, but not least, memorable.

Donn wrote:Likewise with your post, albeit not as quarrelsome as those were: it would count as an inane because it completely fails to address the question at hand.

Whoops.

Ok then... do I remember Tubenet vacations?

No, I don't -- before this post, I had never heard that phrase before. And I'm not sure I've even really known when a member has been punished or suspended (or whatever).

All troublemakers should be required to peer into Wayne's mailbox...

bort wrote:No, I don't -- before this post, I had never heard that phrase before. And I'm not sure I've even really known when a member has been punished or suspended (or whatever).

It has been exceedingly rare in recent years, probably about to the 2nd or 3rd standard in the poll. In the previous era, it used to happen often enough that you'd know about it, but like today, it was one man putting out fires here and there, and I'm not sure it made a great deal of difference. May have even made things worse. You'll occasionally see the more combative personalities still trying to pick a fight with Sean - he seems to have retired long ago, and they're still here spoiling for action.

I used "vacation" for historical reference, but you don't have to subscribe to the particular details of that policy to answer the poll - another process issue. It isn't clear to me that someone who needs to be sent away, should ever be allowed back. But then I don't know how to really keep people from coming back, if they love the place so much they'll come back to do their thing under a new identity. Some people seem to now be convinced that they recognize one of the more conspicuously quarrelsome and obtuse new identities, though I personally don't buy it.

(edit:) Also, please assume effective moderation for the purpose of answering the poll. Even if it would take a dozen moderators working several hours a day, whatever it takes.