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if you want to make windows 8 easier to use you should download a startmenu like classic shell.
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It can't be worse than Windows ME, can it??

Dear Schlepporello
I recently bought a new desktop computor. It was supplied with Windows 8.1, wich is worse than 8.
It tooks me three days to find the proper way to log in. However, after one month of mistakes and errors I'm quite familiar with it,
I never was agreed with the enclosed mail program despite many attempts. I uninstalled it and instead downloaded Firefox Thunderbird.
Now it works without any problem.
Good luck,
Lars

I've never understood all of the Windows 8 hate. It is by far the most stable and fastest version of Windows that I've ever used. Windows 8.1 brings back a version of the start menu, and also gives you a system option of booting up to the desktop.

My only beef is that I've always found it complicated to hook up bluetooth devices to Windows PCs. It should be a lot easier.

Otherwise, I think Windows 8 is just great.

I have to use a Mac at work... and THAT computer drives me crazy. Talk about making simple tasks more difficult than they need to be... But, that's just me!

cktuba wrote:

Three Valves wrote:It can't be worse than Windows ME, can it??

The functionality of Windows 8 is good (unlike ME or Vista). The interface, however, is a counterintuitive POS. I second Jose's recommendation of Classic Shell. It works great.

And to MS... why would you inflict this crap on your customers? How hard would it have been to have a PC edition and a tablet edition of Windows? The Windows 8 interface is a wretched, awful, disastrous piece of excrement. There is a reason most businesses are still on Windows 7. You had better figure that out soon, before we all have to invest time into learning Linux.

I agree, however i think you forgot to add the fact that ms wants you to create an ms acount to be loggedbin all the time so they can mine your data, and windows ten is improved but the whole desktop has more spywear because of cortana built in.

bort wrote:I've never understood all of the Windows 8 hate. It is by far the most stable and fastest version of Windows that I've ever used. Windows 8.1 brings back a version of the start menu, and also gives you a system option of booting up to the desktop.

My only beef is that I've always found it complicated to hook up bluetooth devices to Windows PCs. It should be a lot easier.

Otherwise, I think Windows 8 is just great.

I have to use a Mac at work... and THAT computer drives me crazy. Talk about making simple tasks more difficult than they need to be... But, that's just me!

as for speed my pc with an ssd and windows 7 is faster than any windows 8 pc i have seen, only matched by my hp stream 8. and connecting devices is easy as long as you know where to look (but the only thing is they need to be compatible with windows 8 )

Jose the tuba player wrote:as for speed my pc with an ssd and windows 7 is faster than any windows 8 pc i have seen, only matched by my hp stream 8. and connecting devices is easy as long as you know where to look (but the only thing is they need to be compatible with windows

My laptop is an HP, with an SSD and I think 6GB of RAM. It's faster than when I had Windows 7 installed on it. One of the best things of all is how fast it starts up. Long gone are the days of taking 2 or 3 minutes to fire up the computer. I agree, connecting devices isn't impossible, but I don't do it often enough to remember where to look.

That said, it's an older computer, and it's just starting to wear out. Keyboard is starting to fail, I've been through several batteries, and the screen seems to be getting dimmer over time. They don't last forever, but I'm trying to hold out until Windows 10 comes out.

As far as data mining goes... Meh. I need a computer far more than I need to worry about all of that stuff. Just remember, aluminum foil hats don't really work. You have to use actual tin foil.

bort wrote:Just remember, aluminum foil hats don't really work. You have to use actual tin foil.

Which Herr Gattes is more than happy to SELL you...

On Windows 8, I almost never use the "tiles" view, or whatever it's called. I think it's nice for the Surface or on a phone, but on a laptop, I already have access to the "real" webpages. Why would I need to bother with apps and tiles?

If this Mac weren't my employer's computer, I would like to try running windows on it. I've heard it works pretty well, but not quite as good as it does natively on a PC. I'm trying my best to use this OS, but it will take a while for me to be as efficient on it as I am on a PC. My wife on the other hand, is the opposite. She has been a Mac user since way before they were trendy. She likes using the machines, but hates the hype.

bort wrote:If this Mac weren't my employer's computer, I would like to try running windows on it. I've heard it works pretty well, but not quite as good as it does natively on a PC. I'm trying my best to use this OS, but it will take a while for me to be as efficient on it as I am on a PC. My wife on the other hand, is the opposite. She has been a Mac user since way before they were trendy. She likes using the machines, but hates the hype.

Windows OS runs fine on a Macintosh if you use Boot Camp (supplied with the computer and OS) and run it directly on the hardware instead of through an emulator such as Virtual Box and whatever Oracle sells as the commercial Virtual Box. Apple has written the software and drivers to allow Windows to run directly on the Mac hardware. With Boot Camp, you can choose which OS you want to start on the computer at boot time. If you want it to start with Windows or OSX automatically, you can set it up to do that. You also can make a choice to change from one OS to another which it is running and reboot for the alternative OS. When running Windows on a Mac, it *is* running natively if the machine is starting up through Boot Camp.

Ah! Well that's more than I've ever known about that. Again, it's not a computer I own, so I can't really do much with it. And realistically, it's not something I'm ever likely to experience, since I can spend half the money for a PC that is just as capable and likely made in a neighboring Chinese factory. Besides, it would still have this goofy keyboard (fn, control, option, AND command keys?)

bort wrote:She has been a Mac user since way before they were trendy. She likes using the machines, but hates the hype.

From what I'm seeing, she may yet learn to hate the software as well. The lady of the house is in deeper, with multiple Apple devices and more recent OS updates to keep them all working together, and despite similar history going back to when they had little tiny black and white screens, at this point she'd be an easy sell if there were a better platform. My last OS update brought nothing but poorer performance and application mis-features, and I'm told there's more of the same coming if I choose to install the latest.

Apple & FIOS equals happiness---even if the wind chill is 35 degrees below.....switch to Mac and you'll never look back.....I hate Windows...
Mark

To reiterate the above, you can configure Windows 8 to have a Windows 7 style desktop and functionality. That's how I configured my laptop when my old laptop died last year.