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Man I never knew this was(or is) going on in CC. That's a real shame and low lives like that should be shot.







Ralph

Disclaimer: I am as big an animal lover as they come.. I like to think that I love and respect animals more than most, I even visit the zoo every time I'm in a new city.

But this is ridiculous... thousands, tens of thousands of dollars in vet bills? It would have cost $12 to put that dog to sleep, and that's what should have been done. Let's also not forget that this was a fighting dog... not the dog's fault, no, but true nonetheless. $10,000 in vet bills will seem a bit trite when the dog bites off her granddaughter's face.

I feel bad for the poor defenseless dog, and I think the issue of dog fighting is an issue that deserves attention.. I just don't think that 1)exploiting a dog that 2)poses a danger to anybody around it by 3)extending it's suffering are as honourable actions as that article seems to suggest.

(yes, i feel VERY VERY VERY VERY bad for the dog, and that stuff like that happens. I hope that the dog isn't suffering, and I hope that that dog is a sweetheart and somehow doesn't remember what it was genetically and conditionally bred to do).


my $.02

funkcicle wrote: But this is ridiculous... thousands, tens of thousands of dollars in vet bills? It would have cost $12 to put that dog to sleep, and that's what should have been done.

DITTO

I'm trying to figure out what was done to cost $10k. That's a lot of vet bill.

And the recent post, concerning "plastic surgery"? Come on.

I'm glad they could save her, but am puzzled by the costs. I could see a few thousand, Hell, I spent nearly $2000, once. But that was during renal failure, and lots of ICU care.

The people who are into dog fighting (and cock fighting) seem to have some sort of blood lust that the rest of us either don't have or take care of in different ways. Making such things illegal doesn't change them much; it just pushes them more underground. People also steal cats to use as bait for the dog training. It seems to be mostly men who are into this, and I'm not sure what to say about that so I won't.

MA, who doesn't let her cats out any more after one disappeared.

I think I'll go start a topic on the legalization of drugs.

MaryAnn wrote:...

I think I'll go start a topic on the legalization of drugs.

Cool, I'll smoke to that!

(Actually I don't smoke anything, even pot, but I strongly support legalization of drugs. We should punish actions not intent. If someone wants to kill themselves with drugs that's their problem, not the governments. The war on drugs is exactly like prohibition, it generates more crime and misery than the problem it is trying to solve. Spend a fraction of that money on treatment and education and stop trying to stop the production and sale of "illegal" drugs, and there will be a lot fewer drugs addicts and no more drug killings.)

I've been turning this one around in my head for a couple of days now, and I think I have to agree that putting this particular dog down would have been better. In every village and town in America, dogs are destroyed every day because there's no place to put them. How many healthy, well-behaved dogs could have been saved by spending that $10,000 on food and shelter for those dogs? My guess: more than one.

That's not to say I have anything against the people that did this. They took compassion on a suffering animal, and I have great respect for that. I just think the effort would have been better expended elsewhere.
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Joe Baker, who will sell any of his dogs or most of his children for $10,000 (no, not really....)

Doc wrote:...And, NO, an animal's life is not as precious (or worth as much) as a human's life.

The dog's life is worth more than those of the people that did this to it.

That is a pretty bad case. Fortunately for her, she seems like she has people looking out for her. I really wish that PETA and similar groups would stop worrying about leather and making everyone eat vegetables and focus their money on real animal abuse. If they lobbied with the ASPCA, maybe there could be some basic federal cruelty laws. As it stands, there is no animal cruelty law on the reservation because it is federal or tribal law. State law does not apply. Dogfighting is basically in the open here.

Right now, my wife and I have a St. Bernard rescue case. She worked for a humane society and has seen some sad things. We found this dog at a house over in North Antelope (one of the poorest areas in this very poor place). The family clearly didn't have enough money (or perhaps the will) to take care of their clearly stoned children, three beautiful and clean yellow lab puppies, one mostly healthy rott, and what I didn't even recognise as a St. Bernard. It is common here for people to go to neighboring towns and steal puppies.

This is a male St. Bernard, probably around 8 years old, who weighed in at 85 pounds. Our one year old female saint, who was poisioned and killed by our neighbor, was 155 pounds. Males sometimes are well over 200 pounds. I didn't recognize him as a Saint at first because he was so skinny, and also because he didn't have any hair. He was tied to a pole in the middle of a pit of mud His mange was really, really bad and he had open sores all over. He had previously had an embedded collar at some point and has eye injuries that made him partially blind. He was also covered in motor oil. We thought that perhaps the family was just ignorant and had "bitten off more than they could chew" so we offered to buy the dog from them but they refused to sell him.

Later, a local lady who cares for animals found out about this, went to their house and chewed on their ears about animal abuse. She had them sign the dog over to her and she gave the Saint to us. He was close to death, being starved and in such bad condition. We took him straight to the vet. We thought we would perhaps contact Saint rescue if he made it. Our vet thought he might not live more than a week or so.

When he came home from the vet, we gave him something that he seemed happy to have. Food and water. He really ate a lot and didn't leave a single crumb or a drop. He was a little food aggressive and growled at our other dog (not so with us), but we figured it was understandable as he was so hungry. I built a cage big enough for me and he stayed there. He had been an outside dog before, but he went outside. Because he is mostly blind, I'd take him for a walk. He walked very slowly.

We later found out that after we had first seen him a group of kids tied him up in the middle of a cesspool, tried to drown him and beat him with sticks and poles of some kind. I'm glad he was strong for an emaciated dog, but now he is afraid of (and growls at) boys. He is also very protective of us. We have to tell kids and strangers to stay away. Strange for a Saint.

After a couple of days, we decided to try giving him a bath. We knew that this might not be fun, since many dogs don't like baths and a St. Bernard who doesn't want to cooperate is a real challenge. To our surprise, he didn't move until after the bath was over. He really enjoys having the attention. He also enjoys listening to the tuba and comes over to me when I practice, but when he hears a saxophone or trumpet, he makes distusted grunting noises.

Tabor wrote:but when he hears a saxophone or trumpet, he makes distusted grunting noises.

Don't most intellegent creatures?

Tabor wrote:but when he hears a saxophone or trumpet, he makes distusted grunting noises.

You sure those disgusting grunts aren't coming from the sax itself?
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Joe Baker, who marvels that unhappy people seem to think they will feel better if they take out their frustration on an innocent animal.

bloke wrote:

Joe Baker wrote:You sure those disgusting grunts aren't coming from the sax itself?

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You sure those disgusting grunts aren't coming from the sax itself?


Yeah...they used to be more paint-peeling ugly honks, but I've been working with my student and he's improving.

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