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Toe-tapping
True professionals do not tap their toes during concerts. Right? WRONG. Check out this player (viola) from a Berlin concert. He is towards the right. (1:17 on this YouTube video)
https://youtu.be/URoGryx2Fkc?t=74" target="_blank
Ace the toe-tapper
https://youtu.be/URoGryx2Fkc?t=74" target="_blank
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Re: Toe-tapping
Must be his first gig as a sub.
Notice he’s also playing a Bb treble clef viola!
Notice he’s also playing a Bb treble clef viola!
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Re: Toe-tapping
I’m triggered!!
The viola-ist favors someone I have spent the last 30+ years trying to forget.
The viola-ist favors someone I have spent the last 30+ years trying to forget.
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Re: Toe-tapping
As Bloke often says, people go yo concerts to watch as much as listen so everybody gots to do sumthin.
The LAP did a film of Bolero years ago with long shots of Roger Bobo swaying wildly. One way to make a boring part bearable.
The LAP did a film of Bolero years ago with long shots of Roger Bobo swaying wildly. One way to make a boring part bearable.
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Re: Toe-tapping
Joe, his toe-tapping does not bother me or distract me in the least. I posted the video only to point out that the old "rule" about no toe-tapping is not inviolable, even by top-flight musicians. I rather enjoy it when some rigid "rules" are abandoned. I'm with you on the subject of wagging. I can't stand it. The BPO is particularly bad with all the swaying around by some of its players.bloke wrote:More than ALL other orchestras, the BPO musicians all seem to waggle around as if every single one if them is the concertmaster or principal oboist...
That having been said, they've obviously all managed to keep their mouths/fingers on their instruments QUITE well, in spite of their rock-concert-spectator-like jerky motions...
...but (to your question/remark) what's MORE distracting:
> toe-tapping
> over-the-top constant wagging
...??
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The BPO is particularly bad with all the swaying around by some of its players.
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vocalists call it emoting.
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vocalists call it emoting.
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I just flex my *** muscle.
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Re: Toe-tapping
I do not tap. I don't care if others tap, as long as they do it silently. The last thing I need is to hear 6 or 8 feet all tapping the floor at differing times.
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Re: Toe-tapping
The toe tappers I've seen have been at the amateur level, and one whom I know well jiggles his entire leg up and down. Not on the beat, either. That's the problem.....they are internally focused and not externally. Which is part of what makes them amateurs.
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MaryAnn wrote:The toe tappers I've seen have been at the amateur level, and one whom I know well jiggles his entire leg up and down. Not on the beat, either. That's the problem.....they are internally focused and not externally. Which is part of what makes them amateurs.
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It's weird, the guy I'm thinking of plays OK, but I can see his foot out of the corner of my eye, off the beat.MaryAnn wrote:Not on the beat, either.
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bloke wrote:His foot tends to go down with his phrasing, rather than with time...and his time is very good.
Like many things, the setting and the talent level have a lot to do with breaking "accepted practice"...
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Re: Toe-tapping
[quote="bloke"]A friend of mine is an amazing trombonist with a (self-admitted) "retarded foot" (and if you're triggered by the use of the word "retarded", you should probably switch to viola).
Now, now, Joe. Are you disparaging violas and violists? Be careful. My friend here might be offended.
https://youtu.be/NwXpg0l2VtE" target="_blank
Notwithstanding his appearance, he's really a viscious tough guy and defender of the world of violas. He takes names.
Ace (just kidding)
Now, now, Joe. Are you disparaging violas and violists? Be careful. My friend here might be offended.
https://youtu.be/NwXpg0l2VtE" target="_blank
Notwithstanding his appearance, he's really a viscious tough guy and defender of the world of violas. He takes names.
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bloke wrote:an inordinate percentage of the gripes - to personnel managers about other personnel in orchestras - seem to come from the viola section...a sensitive lot.
A string quartet consists of four players: a first violin, someone who thinks they should be playing first violin, someone who thinks they should be playing violin and a ‘cello...
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Are viola players really worse than French horn players??
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Re: Toe-tapping
At the very amateur level of orchestras I've played with, the viola players I remember have been somewhat exceptional, musically and personally.
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My favorite position in a string quartet is viola. The part is not as hard, and I can sit and listen to what is going on around me and just enjoy. In a brass quintet I like to play euph on the trombone part.....same general idea, although the tbone parts can be challenging.
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Re: Toe-tapping
I understand why people say don't tap your foot, and as for myself, I try avoid it. But there are a lot of really fine players who tap and it obviously hasn't held them back. I saw a concert of the Lincoln Center Chamber Players and the first violin was tapping BOTH feet.
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Re: Toe-tapping
Many years ago I picked up the odd habit of tapping my HEEL, but only when playing trad jazz (foot tapping is not uncommon when playing this style of music, even by non-amateurs) and then only if the music is really moving me - or if I'm trying to drive the rest of the rythym section
No tapping for any other kind of music.
No tapping for any other kind of music.
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Re: Toe-tapping
Yes and no.Three Valves wrote:Are viola players really worse than French horn players??