Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:03 am
Keep chipping away at it. It's looking good and you are going to be so glad when you have completed it so it is like you want it. Soooooon, sooooon...
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Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:49 am
+1
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:35 pm
Great work Elephant! Keep it going!
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:11 pm
First of all, congratulations on what you have achieved over the course of the last nine months as well as removing your self imposed deadline. The tuba will be finished to your satisfaction and you should be very proud of what you have accomplished. This thread with photos has provided so much learning for those such as myself who have absolutely no skills whatsoever in this area and therefore would never be able to take on such a gargantuan project. Your standards are very high and you are unwilling to compromise them. Bravo for that and bravo as well for knowing that this will come together to your satisfaction with hopefully much less stress for you. Well Done, Elephant!
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:47 pm
Well Done!!
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:50 pm
Very resourceful!
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:04 pm
I'm always looking for fresh ideas - could you post a photo?bloke wrote:I don't particularly like the "look" of it, but Jonathan's new buddy, Nickles, came up with a 4th valve routing (one one of their prototypes) where some of the #4 tubing traces the bottom bow along the upper part of the front. It's a low-damage area, and uses up a bunch of tubing really quickly. You could possibly end up with two upper-oriented #4 slides with such a routing: one in the typical spot, and another next to the front of the bell. Finally, it doesn't require the incredible precision of shape that does yet another tube fished around over the upper end of the valve block.
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:32 pm
Makes for an "open wrap", but not quite my "cup of tea"....bloke wrote:Were I (??) to be influenced by this tack, this isn't quite what I would do, but here's the picture...roweenie wrote:I'm always looking for fresh ideas - could you post a photo?bloke wrote:I don't particularly like the "look" of it, but Jonathan's new buddy, Nickles, came up with a 4th valve routing (one one of their prototypes) where some of the #4 tubing traces the bottom bow along the upper part of the front. It's a low-damage area, and uses up a bunch of tubing really quickly. You could possibly end up with two upper-oriented #4 slides with such a routing: one in the typical spot, and another next to the front of the bell. Finally, it doesn't require the incredible precision of shape that does yet another tube fished around over the upper end of the valve block.
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:37 pm
Man, you're too quick for me!
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:36 pm
It looks as though you are orientating the top bow so that it is dead center to the bell plane - all the 6/4 Holtons I've seen have it slightly behind:
I ran into a similar problem when I was putting together a 6/4 Holton that I received in parts. When I was finally able to see an original horn and observe how it was laid out, I had an "aha" moment.
Maybe that will help bring things a little more in line? (I say "maybe" because even "uncut" factory Holton branches tend to be pretty horrendous when it comes to "fit and finish".....)
I ran into a similar problem when I was putting together a 6/4 Holton that I received in parts. When I was finally able to see an original horn and observe how it was laid out, I had an "aha" moment.
Maybe that will help bring things a little more in line? (I say "maybe" because even "uncut" factory Holton branches tend to be pretty horrendous when it comes to "fit and finish".....)
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:40 pm
+1bloke wrote:It's going to turn out just fine.
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:56 pm
roweenie wrote:+1bloke wrote:It's going to turn out just fine.
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 10:30 pm
Any news on your project?
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 8:41 pm
It is all good. Thanks for the reply.
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:16 am
Any news?
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:21 pm
Thanks for your reply! It will be absolutely awesome when completed!!
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:49 pm
How exciting! You're rolling now! I am really looking forward to hearing your thoughts after you play the completed horn for the first time!
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:33 pm
Impressive project. I'm with you on the finish. Need not be fabulous. I'm rid of my last silver plate horn, I have a trombone with sterling silver bell which I never shine, and it looks it, great, and another horn in satin silver aging nicely. Bah to polished silver, yeah for raw brass. Just stripped the last remnants off a Bach 42.
RE: patina....Over on TromboneChat, there are a couple threads on accelerating patina from eggs, vinegar, ammonia, to using a range of chemical reactions, to Palmolive dish soap. I'd try soap first because I think it can be controlled easily and no toxins. Another suggests a wax, to slow the patina formation but ends ultimately in more even patina. I've heard it mentioned before to once you do a patina treatment and rinse or whatever to complete the process, to leave it as long as you can (weeks) before handling to get the most even, deep patina. Like a good base finish before adding the effects of sweat.
https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic. ... tina#p7795" target="_blank
This is basically the mechanics of making a patina. Ingredients may differ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vysWjIEYaQk" target="_blank
Some lacquer after they get the patina they want, to stabilize. Others let it continue to age.
Another way to go is brushed brass finish then cover in lacquer, your forte. Lawlor does this on his trombones. Shires too? I think there might be some online video for that. But much more work on a tuba, especially after assembly.
https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic. ... ish#p62878" target="_blank
RE: patina....Over on TromboneChat, there are a couple threads on accelerating patina from eggs, vinegar, ammonia, to using a range of chemical reactions, to Palmolive dish soap. I'd try soap first because I think it can be controlled easily and no toxins. Another suggests a wax, to slow the patina formation but ends ultimately in more even patina. I've heard it mentioned before to once you do a patina treatment and rinse or whatever to complete the process, to leave it as long as you can (weeks) before handling to get the most even, deep patina. Like a good base finish before adding the effects of sweat.
https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic. ... tina#p7795" target="_blank
This is basically the mechanics of making a patina. Ingredients may differ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vysWjIEYaQk" target="_blank
Some lacquer after they get the patina they want, to stabilize. Others let it continue to age.
Another way to go is brushed brass finish then cover in lacquer, your forte. Lawlor does this on his trombones. Shires too? I think there might be some online video for that. But much more work on a tuba, especially after assembly.
https://www.trombonechat.com/viewtopic. ... ish#p62878" target="_blank
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:49 am
For some reason, "I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Cocoanuts" song came to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf670orHKcA" target="_blank" target="_blank
Okay, then I'll admit, having a well aged patina is as much as an aesthetic choice as having highly polished silver, either can be fabulous. In their own ways, they are asking for a long term dedication on the part of the player, with one requiring more labor intensive and the other extreme patience.
Again, great build thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf670orHKcA" target="_blank" target="_blank
Okay, then I'll admit, having a well aged patina is as much as an aesthetic choice as having highly polished silver, either can be fabulous. In their own ways, they are asking for a long term dedication on the part of the player, with one requiring more labor intensive and the other extreme patience.
Again, great build thread.
Re: Holton 345 Redux
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:07 pm
Principal horn = your wife?! 
(Jk, obviously you would have just said "my wife")
(Jk, obviously you would have just said "my wife")