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Meinl Weston 182 or 2182

Postby cc_tuba_guy » Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:32 pm

I'm looking around for a MW 182 or 2182. Anyone know where I might find a good used one? I know that finding the 2185 used is not going to be easy, but any help will be good. Either post or message me on AOL or MSN. Thanks!
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2185?

Postby Tom » Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:13 pm

I'm just curious...what is a 2185?

My MW catalog lists no such model.

For others that may be interested, my MW catalog lists the 185 as a 1/4 size BBb with 3 rotors, a 15" bell, and .630 bore.
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Postby cc_tuba_guy » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:43 pm

MW 185 is a 5 valve 3/4 F tuba. The 2185 is the 4 piston/ 1 rotor version of the horn. The 2185 is new to the market this year.
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Postby cc_tuba_guy » Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:45 pm

I'm sorry. I messed up. it's the 182 and the 2182.
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Postby Mark » Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:07 am

cc_tuba_guy wrote:MW 185 is a 5 valve 3/4 F tuba. The 2185 is the 4 piston/ 1 rotor version of the horn. The 2185 is new to the market this year.


I've seen both the 182 and the 2182 but have not played either. I would not described the 2182 as the piston verions of the 182. The 2182 is a much larger horn than the 182 (which is tiny).
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Postby Tom » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:21 am

cc_tuba_guy wrote:I'm sorry. I messed up. it's the 182 and the 2182.


No problem...I wasn't sure if I had missed something or what. Funny thing is that there is a model 185.

Anyway, asking about the 183 and 2182 makes much more sense. I love the 182...it's so fun to play, but it is tiny. I'd love to have one, but I'm not really sure what I could use it for. I guess it'd be a good solo horn especially for baroque transcriptions, but I don't have the need for such a specialized instrument.

The 2182 is different. As far as I know there is only one in the United States so far and it came over as a special order item for a famous east coast tubist. Thus, finding someone that has one for sale will, quite honestly, be impossible. Another pro that has spent a good amount of time playing that exact tuba (the one Dillon's imported that was talked up so much) said that he really likes it. Intonation was described as "fine," amount of sound was described as between a Yamaha 621 and 822, and he said it wouldn't be a bad F to own at all.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about the 2182
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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:26 am

Sounds about right. Chris Olka is the player who has 2 2182's right now. I accompanied him when he played the Gregson with Brass Band NW in Seattle. He sounds great on the tuba. It looks like it's in between the 621 and the 822 Yamaha, but more on the side of the 822. It definately is smaller than the 822, however.

I didn't get a chance to play it, but I'd be up for it at anytime in the future.
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there are two at Dillon Music

Postby joebob » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:33 pm

I believe there are two MW 2182 tubas at Dillon Music. Also, Don Harry has one and sounds great on it.
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Postby cc_tuba_guy » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:36 pm

I kinda knew that getting a used one this soon would be impossible. My tuba prof is a clinican for MW and hopefully he can convince them to bring a 2182 to the Texas Music Educator's Association conference. I would love to play one. I've played the 182, and I love the way it responds. I'm in the market for a small F tuba and so far, I like the way it sounds, but I'm not a fan of rotor valves; that's why I want to get a 2182. Does anyone know if it responds like the 182?
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MW2182

Postby bberlien » Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:48 pm

To clarify, the 2182 is not a piston version of the MW 182, but far more a piston version of an Alexander F. I recently purchased a 2182 at Dillon music, selecting one from the three they had in stock (which makes a total of 6 in the US - supposedly there are 5 more or so over in Europe). I chose to scale down from the 45slp to better fit my performance needs. For me, the 2182 is like a 45slp (i.e. BIG sound) with the volume nob turned down a notch. I also find the 2182 much easier to play, and an ergonomic wonder.

Also, they have a used 182 at Dillon music, along with the two remaining new 2182s.
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Postby Tom » Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:54 pm

Ben,

Is your SLP the bare brass one that Dillon Music has right now?

Just curious

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45slp at Dillons

Postby bberlien » Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:01 pm

Yes, the raw brass 45slp at Dillons is the horn I traded in for my 2182. I purchased that 45slp from Chris Olka 3 years ago, after Chris rebuilt the enitre horn. Anyone interested should contact Matt Walters at Dillons, since he is quite familiar with the instrument. Chris Olka also recently used this horn during a masterclass in NYC. (BTW, it comes with a flight case)
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Re: MW2182

Postby cc_tuba_guy » Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:47 am

bberlien wrote:To clarify, the 2182 is not a piston version of the MW 182, but far more a piston version of an Alexander F...


Thanks for the clarification! I simply thought it was a piston version of the horn. What's the difference between the two? Such as playability and how each one is best suited for...
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Postby bberlien » Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:18 pm

To me, the MW 182 is a great playing, but very small F. The next step up would be a Yamaha 621. The 2182 is around the same size as a 621, but plays much larger. The Yamaha 822 is bigger than the 2182, and the 45slp (and slz) is a huge orchestral F tuba that still works well for quintet and solo work.

The 2182 is quite a bit larger than the 182. While the 182 plays great, it feels like a small tuba. The 2182 plays HUGE for its size, and puts out a lot more volume than a 182. Neither comes close to putting out the amount of sound of a 45slp. I find my 2182 to play very easily, and it affords me a great deal of control.

The 2182 is about the same size and puts out similar volume to an Alexander F, though plays like a MW piston horn.
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Postby cc_tuba_guy » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:49 pm

Ben, specifically, I'm looking for a small quintet/ solo horn. I played a 182 at a convention and I really liked the clarity of that horn. Would the 2182 suffice for me? Right now I'm playing on a MW2155, so I'm good on orchestral and band stuff I just want a small F. Anyone else want to chip in their 2 cents, please feel free!

I'm really impressed with the 45slp series. But, I don't need a horn that size. I'm thinking somewhere around the 2182 or Yamaha.
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Postby Tom » Sat Jun 05, 2004 7:51 pm

Does the 2182 have the big valve set on it?

I've never seen anything but the pictures of it on the website, and to be honest, I can't tell if they're the big ones or a new version that's smaller.
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Postby Gorilla Tuba » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:01 pm

This post is sort of a statement as well as a question because I, too, am intrigued by the 2182.

I used to own a 182 and loved it. It was small and offer a great contrast in sound to my Mirafone 186. When I replaced my Mirafone with a PT6, the contrast was just too much. So I went shopping for a more "all-around" F tuba.

After playing Josh Calkins' MW 45S (not SLP), I found the sound I was looking for and bought one for myself.

From a sound standpoint, the descriptions I hear from you guys about the 2182 are very similar to how I'd describe the 45S. Much bigger and more "tuba-like" than the 182, but not as heavy (sounding) as the 45SLP or Yamaha 822.

My question then is this: What is the difference in sound between a 45S and the 2182. Although I an quite happy with the sound of the 45S, it is not very good ergonomically for me... I am developing tendonitus. A DEG stand helps, but it isn't perfect either. I'd rather get a new F tuba than have to take Alleve and ice my wrist every time I practice.

OOps...I feel another thread coming on.
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Postby cc_tuba_guy » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:25 pm

Gorilla Man,

Thanks for asking the question I wanted to ask but couldn't out into words.

My prof is playing a 45SLP and I've played the 182, but I'm trying to decide between the 2182 and the 45. Probably ultimately, it will boil down to a test drive of each, but all inputs will be greatly appreciated.
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Postby Mark » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:29 pm

Gorilla Tuba wrote:This post is sort of a statement as well as a question because I, too, am intrigued by the 2182...


Will you be going to the Big Brass Bash again this summer? If so and if Chris Olka is going, you might be able to talk him into bringing one of his 2182s.

Ben, in a earleir post said he thought the 2182 was about the same size as the Yamaha 621. He may be right, but the 2182 I saw looked quite a bit taller. Definitely smaller than the 45SLP though and also smaller than my Miraphone 181.
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Postby Gorilla Tuba » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:01 pm

Mark,

Sadly, I won't be in Boise for the BBB. I really wish I could. I had a lot of fun last year.
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