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Postby Lectron » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:50 am

I am in the marked for a largish 5/4 BBb or 6/4 BBb.
Needs 5 valves or easy fix for a 5th.

I have the BMB 765, and TBH, I am quite happy with it but wants an even more easy blow,
independent 5th and less "king spinn" to empty the horn.
Would prefer rotary, but not locked on to that

Instruments of special interest,
Miraphone Siegfried
RM 5/4 BBb
MW Fasolt
Kanstul 5433 Grand BBb

.....or any other stupid good 5/4 6/4 BBb of recommendation
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby Tom Mason » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:40 pm

Someone just posted a Mirafone 191 5 valve BBb for sale here.
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby TUbajohn20J » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:22 pm

My Willson 3100 FA5 is for sale. It is definitely a large 5/4 small 6/4.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=70029
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby oedipoes » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:05 pm

Tom Mason wrote:Someone just posted a Mirafone 191 5 valve BBb for sale here.


I have tried one of these and found it to be rather big 4/4 - small 5/4 size, but that's just imho ....
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby Lectron » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:13 am

oedipoes wrote:
Tom Mason wrote:Someone just posted a Mirafone 191 5 valve BBb for sale here.


I have tried one of these and found it to be rather big 4/4 - small 5/4 size, but that's just imho ....

2nd that. I had the 1291/5 (piston version)
large 4/4, small 5/4
More a 4/4 IMO
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby oedipoes » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:43 am

TUbajohn20J wrote:My Willson 3100 FA5 is for sale. It is definitely a large 5/4 small 6/4.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=70029" target="_blank


I tried this model for a week as well, and can confirm these are big tubas with a big sound.
I would call this a big 5/4.
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby oedipoes » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:47 am

Lectron wrote:I am in the marked for a largish 5/4 BBb or 6/4 BBb.
Needs 5 valves or easy fix for a 5th.

I have the BMB 765, and TBH, I am quite happy with it but wants an even more easy blow,
independent 5th and less "king spinn" to empty the horn.
Would prefer rotary, but not locked on to that

Instruments of special interest,
Miraphone Siegfried
RM 5/4 BBb
MW Fasolt

.....or any other stupid good 5/4 6/4 BBb of recommendation


Have you tried a Rudy 4/4? They are quite big as well, can be had with 5 valves.

The Gronitz BBb like Peach has would be a very nice one as well, but hurry to Hamburg, seems like Mr Kleine-Horst is going to retire next year...
See this thread:

http://forums.chisham.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73297&p=594593&hilit=gronitz+PBK#p594593
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby Lectron » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:04 am

Have not tried either the Rudy or the Gronitz

Thought the PBK was bigger thou. Having had the Nirschl/Besson they look close to the same (?)
Guess it's the angle/picture
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby pauvog1 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:23 am

http://www.dillonmusic.com/p-24960-cerv ... r-bbb.aspx

This is only 4 valves, but you could speak with Matt about the possibility adding a 5th.
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby Lectron » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:18 pm

Yes, I did see that one.
I had the 601 CC back when.....And the tuba literary played by it-selves.
Had some "barking" tendencies and a real dent magnet, but yes
It is an option. Adding a 5th is probably farily easy job too
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby kmorgancraw » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:59 am

New 5 valve fafners at dillons $10k right now. Do it.
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby Lectron » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:08 am

Thank you, I've noticed, but I do get it at lower cost more locally :-)
(edit: the price in $$ is good, but the currency is up over 40% compared to 2013)
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby bisontuba » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:13 pm

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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby Mark Horne » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:46 am

bisontuba wrote:Alex 164....lightly used...

http://www.hornguys.com/collections/bbb ... ser-tuba-1" target="_blank" target="_blank


I'm the previous owner of that horn. Steve hasn't put up any new pictures, but if you look at the picture of the "sold out" 164 BBb it's the identical tuba. This one defines the kaiser sound - it's the 163 taken to the next level.
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby 58mark » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:57 am

Get the cerveny. Personally I don't think a BBb Tuba needs a 5th valve, but if you do, it is an easy upgrade.
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby oedipoes » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:28 am

58mark wrote: Personally I don't think a BBb Tuba needs a 5th valve, but if you do, it is an easy upgrade.


Why not??
A BBb needs as much a 5th valve as any CC tuba (that one tone makes no big difference imho), lots of low stuff in today's band repertoire...
You can keep moving tuning slides 1 and 4 up and down if you like doing that, but I prefer a 5th valve in the low register!
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby 58mark » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:39 am

On every cerveny I've ever owned, 1-2-4 centers great for that note (Eb on BBb tuba)

D is 234, Db is only slightly flat as 1234, and that can be centered easily

C is the hardest note, it's usually sharp, even with slide pulling

B natural is a lip up from the BBb, but honestly, how often are you going to play that note???

Speaking of 4 valve CC's, I've played 4 valve CC tubas for the last 28 years. Only one time in that period did I wish I Had a 5th valve, so I extended the 4th valve tubing on my horn temporarily for that one song to give me the note I needed. problem solved.

those slide extensions have stayed in storage waiting for the next time I needed them. Hasn't happened
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby Lectron » Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:33 pm

I like the 5th for the ease of playing. Simple as that.
A lot of the literature I play involves a lot tech stuff, and "sliding around" every now and than is not really an option.

Can I manage with 4? Sure! I can manage with 3 with good spoken privileged notes.
Does the 5th ease it up. Sure does, and if I end up with the Cerveny I'm pretty sure it will end up with a 5th

Placed a few adds on a few of my (less used) tubas.
If they sell, that Alex and others in that price range should be obtainable :-) :tuba:
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby oedipoes » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:12 am

58mark wrote:Speaking of 4 valve CC's, I've played 4 valve CC tubas for the last 28 years. Only one time in that period did I wish I Had a 5th valve, so I extended the 4th valve tubing on my horn temporarily for that one song to give me the note I needed.


I think we agree, if you dont need a 5th on a CC tuba, no reason for putting one on your Bbb.
I need to slide tubes for the Bbb fingerings you describe, so adding a 5th on mine should be an improvement...
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Re: WTB 5/4 6/4 BBb 5V

Postby Matt Walters » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:05 am

Thank you, I've noticed, but I do get it at lower cost more locally
(edit: the price in $$ is good, but the currency is up over 40% compared to 2013)


Wow!!! (1 Kroner equals .12 dollars and 1 Kroner equals .11 Euro). Since USD and Euro are ALMOST equal today, are you saying that the Buffet Group is selling brand new tubas from Germany to a store in Norway for WAY less Euros than they are selling the same horn to us gullible American dealers paying with Dollars converted to Euros? Why did you even post a request when you can buy a great new Meinl Weston for less money than anyone else in the world?

I'm going to talk to the wife about going to Norway on vacation and see if I can't bring back a tuba to re-sale in the USA that will pay for my trip.

There has to be a catch but I'm going to seriously bring it up to the wife about checking out a vacation in Norway.
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