Holton BAT

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Tue May 17, 2005 11:05 am

BEFORE YOU GIVE UP!!!!

... read this:

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windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:30 pm

The other thing is the age... some horns were built to A=430 and A=435 until low pitch standardized early last century at A=440. I have a 1907 Conn double-belled baritone that was built to A=432. Could be valves or the way the horn was built.

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:45 pm

windshieldbug wrote:The other thing is the age...

If we didn't know this was a Holton BAT, I'd agree; but they weren't made until the '50s, by which time the standard was A=440.

I did also find an interesting thread in the old tubenet archives:
http://www.chisham.com/tips/bbs/mar2004 ... 69776.html

Best of luck!
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Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:07 pm

You might not need that valve job all that soon. Rick is running 20 cents flat when his valves are dry, and he didn't sound like he was planning to do anything right away. Even if you did -- $1250 for a Holton BAT in generally good shape? Seems like a deal to me!

Besides; how can you put a price on LOVE??

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Joe Baker, who thinks he has an idea what a valve job would cost, but isn't sure and won't risk putting out wrong information.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:17 pm

Joe Baker wrote:
windshieldbug wrote:The other thing is the age...
If we didn't know this was a Holton BAT, I'd agree; but they weren't made until the '50s, by which time the standard was A=440.

There were also Holton BAT's made in the pre-war era. Essentially, they used York 6/4 large branches fitted with their own ferrules, braces and valves. York and Holton were pretty incestuous during the 20's and 30's.

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:28 pm

If anyone is wondering who has more credibility on this one... the smart money's on Chuck.

But Chuck, did they make 4-valve front actions before the war? If so, I guess it might be low pitch.
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Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Tue May 17, 2005 4:03 pm

Joe Baker wrote:But Chuck, did they make 4-valve front actions before the war? If so, I guess it might be low pitch..

Indeed they did--I've owned a 3-valve and seen a 4-valve front-action model.

Peach · Post by **Peach** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:18 pm

Joe Baker wrote: If so, I guess it might be low pitch.
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The original poster is playing sharp on the Holton so I can't see it being low pitch.

Am I reading all this backwards?

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Tue May 17, 2005 5:59 pm

Subwoofer wrote: Even with the extremely small PT-60, the horn was still 10 cents flat. Iâ€™m sure the previous owner, (a local pro) could play it in tune. But I couldnâ€™t..

Nope, sounds like he's playing flat.

Peach · Post by **Peach** » Wed May 18, 2005 12:11 pm

Apologies; backward reading/brain strikes again...

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Wed May 18, 2005 12:13 pm

Peach wrote:Apologies; backward reading/brain strikes again...

fuggedaboutit.

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hurricane_harry · Post by **hurricane_harry** » Wed May 18, 2005 11:14 pm

probobly a stupid question, what key is it in?

Joe Baker · Post by **Joe Baker** » Thu May 19, 2005 7:32 am

Subwoofer wrote:Thanks for the insight Joe.

I think I'll head back with a bottle of oil and try it again. Downside is if it works, then a valve job is needed. Just what I need......more cash layout.

Have you had a chance to go back and try it? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Thu May 19, 2005 11:08 am

...and grab the serial number off the 2nd valve casing...

Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Thu May 19, 2005 1:29 pm

Ok, who bought it? I got myself all psyched up, dealt with my guilt over buying it out from under poor subwoofer, and yet someone was even less scrupulous than me and called first!

-Eric

Shockwave · Post by **Shockwave** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:22 pm

I was joking, sheesh!

-Eric

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