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WTT: Willson 3050RZ for Miraphone Bruckner, 188, or PT6

Postby bort » Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:24 pm

Interested to trade my rotary Willson 3050RZ tuba for Miraphone Bruckner, 188, or B&S PT6.

I am in Minneapolis. Send me a PM if you are interested. Thanks! :tuba:
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Re: Possibly WTT: Willson 3050RZ for rotary Neptune

Postby bort » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:32 pm

Bump!
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Re: Possibly WTT: Willson 3050RZ for rotary Neptune

Postby the elephant » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:30 pm

Both of these horns are notably better than their more common (in the US) piston versions. The rotary Neptune is, IMHO, a very fine tuba. I really like the rotary Willson tubas I have had the chance to play, which is not a number that is very large, unfortunately for me. I would love to own this rotary 3050 and have wanted it for years but never have money when it has been up for sale.

The comparison I would make is that the Willson — to me — has a loud end that plays and sounds like my Alexander 163 with more punch in the pedal register. The pitch is much better than the Alex, too, like on another planet. The soft end tends to be more Meinl-Weston-ish and less like the Alexander and is a bit more difficult to play high and soft together, whereas my old Alex was very easy to control, dynamically, regardless of the tessitura one is playing in. I played my Alex next to a piston 3050 many times in local bands and they were very, very compatible in a section. It punches squarely in the 5/4 weight class.

The Neptune is much smoother, with much more weight, but a bit less obvious projection. It is like a baby Holton 345, very polite and well-mannered, even when you play it like a lout. But it is always BIG — not loud specifically, just thick and round. The bell and outer branches have just about the same physical volume as a Yorkophone BAT, but the bell sits higher up and the top bow wraps over sooner, so you have what is, in essence, a 6/4 BAT with a wrap that looks like a huge kaiser tuba. The piston version has a lot of pitch issues, but the rotary horn in much better behaved in this regard, and for me played with better response and control than the piston version.

Both of these rotary tubas are fine horns, and a trade of solid examples of each would be a very fair exchange, value-wise. I think the piston horns would have me valuing the Willson a bit higher than the Neptune. But the rotary horns, both better than their piston counterparts, sees the Neptune rising enough to be a dead equal value, based on my limited experience with all four horns. Now, how each owner would assess these *rotary* horns in regards to an even trade is just as subjective as my review, here. But I would advise that anyone with an excellent condition rotary Neptune who wants to try the slightly smaller, more focused and aggressive rotary 3050 to give this a go. The man proposing this trade is a stand-up guy. I would do business with him without reservation. (I actually wish I could right now as I like the rotary 3050 a lot more than the piston one.)

I would propose a trial period. One of those, "If you do not hear from me and I don't hear from you by so-and-so date then we have a deal. If either of us is not happy we can meet to trade back or discuss adding money to the pot." I have had excellent success with this mode of trade with tubas. Of course, you may feel free to tell me to go pound sand. I am just trying to help out on a trade I think would be really interesting/gratifying for both parties. These two specific tubas are both excellent and rare here in the US, especially the 3050RZ.

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Re: Possibly WTT: Willson 3050RZ for rotary Neptune

Postby bort » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:37 am

Thanks for the kind words, Wade -- I think your assessments on these two instruments are pretty consistent with my experiences.

To be totally clear, back in 2015, I owned a rotary Neptune for a couple of months, and loved it... and then did an even trade for this Willson. I thought that was a fair deal at the time, and since then, I have put over $1,000 into the Willson to upgrade the valve linkages and paddles to replace them with original Willson parts. It's an excellent tuba, but I have my reasons for considering moving on from it... none of which are because of deficiencies with this tuba. Totally personal preference stuff. Also, Wade is right, the 3050RZ is VERY rare. I only know of 5 or 6 of these tubas in the US.

Anyway... if this trade worked once in one direction, why not work again 2 years later in the other direction? :tuba:

So, if you're looking for something a little bit physically smaller than your Neptune, and with a slightly more focused sound... let's talk!
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Re: Possibly WTT: Willson 3050RZ for rotary Neptune

Postby Dave Roberts » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:08 am

I'm wondering if this is the RZ I sold to Tony Kniffen a couple of years ago? If so, someone's getting a rare, outstanding example of the rotor 3050.

Don't pass it up, gang.

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Re: Possibly WTT: Willson 3050RZ for rotary Neptune

Postby bort » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:46 am

Hi Dave -- yes, this is your old tuba!
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for another CC tuba...?

Postby bort » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:12 pm

Quick bump to open up discussions for other trade opportunities. If you're interested in my Willson... what do you have*? Tuba or tuba + your cash are both okay. I realize that trades are difficult, and it's tough to find 2 people with opposite needs. But, still want to try and go this direction, before simply selling and buying something else.

*Must be a CC tuba, with 5 valves, heavy preference to rotary valves. No Chinese tubas or Cerveny tubas, please, and I have a heavy preference to German/Swiss tubas. Thanks! :tuba:
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for another CC tuba...?

Postby bort » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:14 pm

Bump... Why not!
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for another CC tuba...?

Postby Casca Grossa » Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:22 pm

Just get a 188
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Why have 3 valves when you can have 6 and a main tuning slide kicker???
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for another CC tuba...?

Postby k001k47 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 2:40 am

Casca Grossa wrote:Just get a 188

He had one. It was a rather nice one, too. :P
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for another CC tuba...?

Postby bort » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:58 pm

k001k47 wrote:
Casca Grossa wrote:Just get a 188

He had one. It was a rather nice one, too. :P


Yes, I did. Would love to have it back, but am happy that it is in good hands!
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for another CC tuba...?

Postby Steginkt » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:55 pm

Don't know if you'd be interested, but I currently have a five valve 4/4 Bohm and Meinl 5520 CC. It's not rotary, but the springs have been lightened to deal with my tendonitis, and the tuning slides are 'on-the-fly' in the style of Marzans. The horn looks very much like a Nirschl, save for the slide tuning systems.
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for Miraphone Bruckner or 188

Postby bort » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:11 pm

Ok, I think I am zeroing in now...

Looking to trade for either a Miraphone Bruckner or 188.

If you have one and want something similar but one click larger... Let's talk.

Thanks! :tuba:
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for Miraphone Bruckner or 188

Postby logancarnes » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:35 pm

Would you be able to upload pictures?
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for Miraphone Bruckner or 188

Postby bort » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:01 pm

Please PM your email address to me, and I'll send some photos.

Thanks! :tuba:
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for Miraphone Bruckner or 188

Postby bort » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:34 pm

Thanks for the replies so far...

Bumping for any new readers out there. :tuba:
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for Miraphone Bruckner or 188

Postby bort » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:33 pm

PS, for 188's, I would be especially interested in gold brass.
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Re: WTT: Willson 3050RZ for Miraphone Bruckner or 188

Postby bort » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:12 pm

Would also consider a rotary PT6.
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