Uncle Buck wrote:This thread is about a warning for a lesson Wade learned the hard way. Until this board is changed structurally, in ways that only Sean can do, then DO NOT recommend this board to your minor students. If you do, you may be fine, but remember that it only takes one parent who is (nuts/naive/mad at you for some unrelated reason/having a bad day/etc.) to turn the issue into something that will cause you much trouble than anything your students might have gained from this board is worth.
DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS BOARD TO KIDS, UNLESS YOU DON'T MIND BEING ACCUSED OF BAD THINGS!!!!!
True, and not just because of the threat of adult ads but also because of the content of the board itself. You might get the ad filters changed, but you're not going to clean up the threads to everyone's satisfaction, period. It's the juveniles who also have the greatest pollution potential because they aren't aware of or don't care about the full consequences of their actions. And yes, some juveniles are middle aged or worse before they reach physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual maturity--if they ever do. I believe I can speak from personal experience here.
That said, I think it's a worthwhile ongoing endeavor to call out any behavior that you find objectionable. How else will the juveniles learn? 'When the student is ready, the teacher appears' is meaningful on several levels.
Thread content has zero to do with paid advertising that supports the site. I am all for the nonsense here and feel the stuffed shirts can get bent over those pics and the occasional ate of food when the thread has become absolutely useless.
Use of the site does NOT equate to financial sponsorship of the site. Photos in threads are not the same as ADVERTISEMENT PROMOTING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE BETWEEN ADULTS AND MINORS. Just how stupid do people have to be to not see this? A busty beer chick equates with diddling children? Are you insane?
I hope to God that some of you are never parents or teachers if you cannot differentiate between the two! Maybe you would like to compare the beer chicks to bestiality sites, too? "Dude, set me up with a link to some animal/human action." "Sure, man. Just go to TubeNet."
TubeNet, where expressing strong aversion to a political system gets you called a racist...
the elephant wrote:Thread content has zero to do with paid advertising that supports the site. I am all for the nonsense here and feel the stuffed shirts can get bent over those pics and the occasional ate of food when the thread has become absolutely useless.
Removing pictures from the TubeNet servers was only part of the proposal. Putting the pictures on an outside server and providing a link would change who is paying for the bandwidth. The point was to change the way that the site is being funded. The advertising (no matter what the content) provides the funds. If TubeNet costs could be lowered, then, perhaps the advertising could be removed except for specific music-related advertising provided by sponsors. If that advertising does not pay all of the bills, then some other funding alternative to free-form advertising could be looked at.
the elephant wrote:Use of the site does NOT equate to financial sponsorship of the site. Photos in threads are not the same as ADVERTISEMENT PROMOTING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE BETWEEN ADULTS AND MINORS. Just how stupid do people have to be to not see this? A busty beer chick equates with diddling children? Are you insane?
Visiting and using the site does imply financial sponsorship. The advertising is being generated by the visits of TubeNet users. To be completely honest, I have never seen anything harsher than the Russian dating sites. I can tell many of the sites I had been visiting in the last week or so because it is being reflected in the advertising I see. I've been looking at a method to read Usenet news at home without an ISP. I get advertising for Giganews, the major Usenet supplier. I've been looking for deals on amateur radio gear. I've been seeing advertising for Gigaparts.com, a major supplier of amateur radio equipment.
I'm not trying to say or imply that *all* of the advertising is generated by things the users are looking at but it seems to me that much of mine is. If the users of TubeNet and the owner of TubeNet want to get rid of advertising that TubeNet is not directly in control of, a different funding and management structure needs to be instituted.
The Big Ben wrote:To be completely honest, I have never seen anything harsher than the Russian dating sites. I can tell many of the sites I had been visiting in the last week or so because it is being reflected in the advertising I see... I'm not trying to say or imply that *all* of the advertising is generated by things the users are looking at but it seems to me that much of mine is.
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Wade's point is not about what *he* sees but, rather, what other people see when they access TubeNet.
If I tell someone who is interested in the Tuba, "Hey, look at TubeNet. Good info there." and, when they access it, something offensive comes up, *I* now have a problem. Nothing *I* do to *my* computer can solve this problem. The only thing that can solve this problem is to sever the connection between TubeNet and offensive advertising.
The Big Ben wrote:Wade's point is not about what *he* sees but, rather, what other people see when they access TubeNet.
If I tell someone who is interested in the Tuba, "Hey, look at TubeNet. Good info there." and, when they access it, something offensive comes up, *I* now have a problem. Nothing *I* do to *my* computer can solve this problem. The only thing that can solve this problem is to sever the connection between TubeNet and offensive advertising.
I get his point, but if the hosts files do indeed clear up the advertising, couldn't one just say: "you might want to visit this site, but make sure your hosts files on your computer are up to date."
The Big Ben wrote:Wade's point is not about what *he* sees but, rather, what other people see when they access TubeNet.
If I tell someone who is interested in the Tuba, "Hey, look at TubeNet. Good info there." and, when they access it, something offensive comes up, *I* now have a problem. Nothing *I* do to *my* computer can solve this problem. The only thing that can solve this problem is to sever the connection between TubeNet and offensive advertising.
PMeuph wrote:I get his point, but if the hosts files do indeed clear up the advertising, couldn't one just say: "you might want to visit this site, but make sure your hosts files on your computer are up to date."
Even at this late date, so many computer users think of the Internet and computers as "magic boxes" and refuse to comprehend how it all works. That keeps a million IT workers in jobs but it is a little unrealistic to expect most people to know what a /etc/hosts file *is*, *where* it is and, furthermore, how to tweek it to keep offensive advertising off their computer screens.
Kinda like inviting a blind man to walk through a cow pasture and telling him, "There might be cowpies out there. If you don't want to step in them, be sure to look closely."
Photos in threads are not the same as ADVERTISEMENT PROMOTING SEXUAL INTERCOURSE BETWEEN ADULTS AND MINORS. Just how stupid do people have to be to not see this? A busty beer chick equates with diddling children? Are you insane? I hope to God that some of you are never parents or teachers if you cannot differentiate between the two! Maybe you would like to compare the beer chicks to bestiality sites, too? "Dude, set me up with a link to some animal/human action." "Sure, man. Just go to TubeNet."
Please do not call me stupid or insane (that Florida fellow in another thread had the delightful suggestion that I should return to the circus. Go to hell, dude).
One is worse than the other, yes, but both are bad. How can you not see this? I like you Wade, but you're not catching on here. A five page thread full of lewd jokes after an initial posting of a woman in some s&m lingerie riding a tuba is something that should concern those concerned about parents and children on the forum.
Bob Kolada wrote:One is worse than the other, yes, but both are bad. How can you not see this? I like you Wade, but you're not catching on here. A five page thread full of lewd jokes after an initial posting of a woman in some s&m lingerie riding a tuba is something that should concern those concerned about parents and children on the forum.
To me, since I don't see any of the sketchy advertisement, I have to say that one is clearly worse than the other.
(Actually, as we are speaking, the ads are far from being offensive, they are almost praise worthy)
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