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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby Wyvern » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:32 am

Sorry you are having this problem Mark. It is pretty unusual. I have heard of only a handful of customers have valve problems.

My long term plans are to have all Wessex fitted with our new Z valves. It is a shame that implementation was previously delayed due to patent concerns, but now that has been addressed we will be rolling out to our more popular tubas (not yet been made for smaller instruments). However that will take time as each tuba so fitted has to be re-tooled. Currently we are fitting to new produced cimbasso, Luzern BBb tuba, XL BBb tuba and Mahler CC tuba.

Experience is the Z valves are trouble free (I have never had one stick myself), quiet in use, allow precise valve alignment (by setting up outside the horn) and are easy to clean and maintain. And are even easy replaceable. So we believe an appreciable advance on traditional rotary valves.
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby 58mark » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:36 am

So the new Pragues still have the same valves as the demo I bought? For some reason I thought you said it had been upgraded since then

If I still have the horn when the z valve is available for the Prague, it would be an interesting project to retrofit them on this horn. Sounds like a nice design
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby Lectron » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:38 am

58mark wrote:I did see one Arion for sale used in the last year, about a 3 hour drive from here. That was the the first one I had ever seen for sale used, and new they are over $6000. Out of my price range for just a horn to teach lessons on


I see that. That is expensive.

Reason for asking is that I'm debating on selling my small BBb to purchase a Arion/Opera/Piggy size, and with Mike Johnson's prices that could, for the 6xx series, seem to be a better deal
BUT...If issues will be fixed and price kept, it's fairly unbeatable
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby 58mark » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:40 am

I'm sure the cerveny is a fine tuba, but honestly, if I was going to buy a new horn in this size again, I would look at the packer first.

I would put packer quality above cerveny at this point.
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby Wyvern » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:42 am

58mark wrote:So the new Pragues still have the same valves as the demo I bought? For some reason I thought you said it had been upgraded since then

If I still have the horn when the z valve is available for the Prague, it would be an interesting project to retrofit them on this horn. Sounds like a nice design

The valves are still traditional rotary valves. But now as on all Wessex rotary tubas, they have the tampered spindle on rotor head to eliminate slack and noise, solid nickel levers and stainless steel linkage, plus stainless steel screws for strength.

To retro-fit Z valves to your Prague would mean a completely new valve block being fitted - but I guess that would be the case if you got valves from another manufacturer as well.

I will be happy to supply you with Z valves once they have been rolled-out to the Prague.
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby Lectron » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:53 am

58mark wrote:I'm sure the cerveny is a fine tuba, but honestly, if I was going to buy a new horn in this size again, I would look at the packer first.

I would put packer quality above cerveny at this point.

Some of the JP is just higher mark up Jinbaos, Sterling series seems better thou
And....they have one for ghe same price as the Wessex
https://www.johnpacker.co.uk/prod/jp379 ... -ex-demo-a
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby 58mark » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:58 am

I don't think this a rebadged JB at all. I've played it, it seemed like a different instrument. Maybe Joe could shed some light on this, he deals with Packer horns

that's a good price!
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby bloke » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:23 am

Lectron wrote:
58mark wrote:I'm sure the cerveny is a fine tuba, but honestly, if I was going to buy a new horn in this size again, I would look at the packer first.

I would put packer quality above cerveny at this point.

Some of the JP is just higher mark up Jinbaos, Sterling series seems better thou
And....they have one for ghe same price as the Wessex
https://www.johnpacker.co.uk/prod/jp379 ... -ex-demo-a" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank


Buy what you want, but that tuba isn't built by Jinbao.
I don't know if any demonstrator versions of that model are in the Carolina warehouse, but if they are - factoring in avoidance of shipping from the UK and avoidance of paying duty - I can probably match that price.

Just fwiw...I have one of the gold brass looks-like/plays-like/is-the-mechanical-equal-to a Meinl-Weston 25 here (the JP379BB) for a bit more (a "demonstrator"). It's a much for fun tuba to play, in my view.
:arrow: a VERY hi-res picture of the JP379BB:
http://www.dfmusicinc.com/marketplace/images/productlarge/JP379-Sterling-BB-Tuba-Instrument-shot-Lacquer.jpg
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby Lectron » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:21 pm

Yes, that is a completely different horn....
Looking very good.
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby Lectron » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:53 pm

The JP "Arion" can be had from JP for a VERY nice price.
Is it discontinued? Doesn't say anything about being ex-demo.
https://www.johnpacker.co.uk/prod/jp379b-sterling-rotary-tuba-bb-in-lacquer
Anyways....After this and others experiance, purchasing a wessex prague was totally out of the question.
More expensive than a JP, close to a Cerveny in price but cannot match neither in quality.
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby 58mark » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:49 pm

Today I used the horn for the same quintet gig I used it for last year, and it was great. Not only is it a good size for a quintet, but the intonation is near perfect. It's great having a horn with point and shoot intonation. Never had that before

The valves are still a concern. Looking forward to putting Z valves on it someday. I almost bought a whole cerveny tuba on ebay for $500 to transplant the valve section onto this one, but I held off
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby bloke » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:14 pm

58mark wrote:Today I used the horn for the same quintet gig I used it for last year, and it was great. Not only is it a good size for a quintet, but the intonation is near perfect. It's great having a horn with point and shoot intonation. Never had that before

The valves are still a concern. Looking forward to putting Z valves on it someday. I almost bought a whole cerveny tuba on ebay for $500 to transplant the valve section onto this one, but I held off


...same as with my Jb cimbasso.
Meinlschmidt's .728" rotor casings' dimensions are within the margin of error for an easy transplant.
I grow more and more weary of theses rotors and linkage.
Do they "stick"?
I can't say that they do, but they constantly remind me that they are there...and that just isn't good.
yeah...Jb seems to do pretty darn well with the non-precision parts.
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Re: Czech out my review of the Wessex Prague

Postby 58mark » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:19 pm

Yes they randomly just lock up, and they just don't have a good feel

They remind me of the valves on the ybb 641, which I can't stand
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