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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Mark Finley » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:46 am

Lectron wrote:A large compensated BBb tuba.
None of the big ones seem to be bothered with making one.
Well....Yammie'd say the have, but it's still the same holton/besson bugle made at the Amati factory back in the 70s


Doesn't this count?

http://www.wessex-tubas.com/shop/brass- ... excelsior/
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby bloke » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:38 am

knock off MAW valves


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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Wyvern » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:14 pm

The custom options idea sounds a logistical nightmare, not to talk of patent breach as Bloke correctly mentions above which Wessex would never do.

I am disinclined to 'knock-off' anything currently available. Wessex wants to add to the options.

For the large compensated BBb - I have been considering this for a while...
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby bort » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:25 pm

Kranz?
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby UncleBeer » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:05 pm

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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby bloke » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:27 pm

Wyvern wrote:For the large compensated BBb - I have been considering this for a while...


I read ooh's and ahh's of this/that/the-other new (friggin' expensive) model of European/Japanese manufacturer BBb contrabass 3+1 comp. tuba, but (to me...??) the one with the best intonation is (obviously, assuming not-worn-out-valves) is the old Edgware St. design. I find ~one~ funky (sharp) pitch on those...Eb in the staff, which can be flattened by adding the 4th valve (or, perhaps, some rarely-tried-before #1 slide thumb trigger...??) .

I'd sure look long-and-hard at that taper as a reference, were I to have someone manufacture that style of instrument for me.
Am I off base, here...?? :?

...and the only thing that I would personally do to improve the ultimate Eb or BBb 3+1 comp. design would be to monkey with the #3 comp. slide length... to favor low F/E intonation (at the expense of low F# intonation) on an Eb, and to favor low-low C/B intonation (at the expense of C# intonation) on the BBb...

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...but - based on the comments in a previous post, i.e.
A large compensated BBb tuba.
None of the big ones seem to be bothered with making one.

isn't THIS (which already exists) what they're asking for...??
http://www.wessex-tubas.com/shop/brass-band-instruments/excelsior/
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Lectron » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:03 pm

bloke wrote:______
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...but - based on the comments in a previous post, i.e.
A large compensated BBb tuba.
None of the big ones seem to be bothered with making one.

isn't THIS (which already exists) what they're asking for...??
http://www.wessex-tubas.com/shop/brass-band-instruments/excelsior/
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He he :-)

It might have a smaller frame and claims to be big, but a 35+Yr old Boosey & Hawkes Imperial would be better in every aspect....
....except being smaller, and the Excelsior really is smaller...in every aspect.

TBH...IMO it wouldn't even need the 4th valve as it was like blowing through a 50ft. garden hose.

No..Something Fasolt/GR55 size like.
Mirror one of those and put in a slightly larger bore 3+1 cluster.
Get the valves further down (without adding two extra 180 bends to the 3rd circuit..look at Conn and Willson)
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby bloke » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:52 am

small points of order:
I'm not completely convinced that...
- additional crooks contribute to "stuffiness"
- "stuffiness" is necessarily a bad thing, or even that "a 1/2mm larger bore in the 4th valve circuit" on many tubas is actually a "good" thing
- some do not confuse "lack of stuffiness" with "stuffiness"
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Lectron » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:39 am

bloke wrote:small points of order:
I'm not completely convinced that...
- additional crooks contribute to "stuffiness"
- "stuffiness" is necessarily a bad thing, or even that "a 1/2mm larger bore in the 4th valve circuit" on many tubas is actually a "good" thing
- some do not confuse "lack of stuffiness" with "stuffiness"

I should have wrote......
"played it, hated it" :-)

By all means. Many people confuse stuffiness with the feel of the instrument resonating and doing the job for you, giving a full sound to the audience in the back of the hall.

Just had a discussion with a few horns, there among the Bobby Shew flugel horn.
It sure feels more open than a Bach, but it also sounds like a wet fart compared.
If someone want's to sound like a really bd cornet, why don't pick one and benefit from the better intonation :-)

But OK..Back to tubas. I tried the Excelsior and it was not a good tuba.
Never counted wraps or bends :-)
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Wyvern » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:12 am

Lectron wrote:I tried the Excelsior and it was not a good tuba.

In your opinion :) Other players, including some in Championship bands like it. Different people have different likes. No tuba we make is going to appeal to everyone.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Lectron » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:35 am

Wyvern wrote:Different people have different likes. No tuba we make is going to appeal to everyone.

True :)
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby southtubist » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:39 pm

What about a good small rotary F tuba?

I've played most common F tubas currently in production, and none come close to beating my old MW45k. Most are just too big and don't sound like F tubas. Most would disagree, but I think even the PT 10 is too big.

I'm thinking of a horn the size of an old Miraphone 180, maybe a little bigger like an Alex 155. Use the lightest/thinnest construction possible, with a small bell. Something with fast valves and good intonation/response. Essentially a dedicated solo rotary F tuba.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby bort » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:57 pm

Sounds kind of like the Cerveny 653...?
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby southtubist » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:57 pm

bort wrote:Sounds kind of like the Cerveny 653...?


Possibly, although I've never played one. I'm thinking of a horn with a taller bell stack though. I think that tall "free float" bell contributes to the sound of German style tubas.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby kmorgancraw » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:41 pm

How about a Mahler-plus? So the Wessex Mahler, only a little larger, ala 188. Or a BBb Mahler or Mahler-plus. Or both. It's a great platform, more should be done with it.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby MN_TimTuba » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:50 pm

In BBb piston, whether you do a 4/4, 5/4, or that 6/4 that everyone talks about, can someone engineer a way to fully empty all valve slides at once, as on some rotary horns? The water-spin can be a real task for a big horn in a tight place, and is pretty distracting to your audience. Finally, there must be a way to incorporate a modified Amati spit valve. Maybe it's not an issue for everyone, but I seem to catch the spring-loaded levers on my horns on chairs, clothes, and what-not too often. Thank you.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby InTuneBb » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:02 pm

I am not sure if it has been said, apologies if so, but now that I am starting to look at the realm of travel tubas, it would be SO helpful if there was a 5 valve CC travel tuba (Or a CC version of the Bubbie 5) to work on rep like Prokofiev 5, Romeo and Juliet, Mahler 2, without having to use an alternate fingering/a fingering we wouldn't use on our actual big tubas for low F and below.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Three Valves » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:44 am

MN_TimTuba wrote:In BBb piston, whether you do a 4/4, 5/4, or that 6/4 that everyone talks about, can someone engineer a way to fully empty all valve slides at once, as on some rotary horns? The water-spin can be a real task for a big horn in a tight place, and is pretty distracting to your audience. Finally, there must be a way to incorporate a modified Amati spit valve. Maybe it's not an issue for everyone, but I seem to catch the spring-loaded levers on my horns on chairs, clothes, and what-not too often. Thank you.


I didn't realize what a big plus that was until I owned a rotary!!
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Lectron » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:45 pm

Wyvern wrote:
Lectron wrote:I tried the Excelsior and it was not a good tuba.

In your opinion :) Other players, including some in Championship bands like it.

Played Champion section up in NW regionals in winter gardens
Didn't see much to it there ;)
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Mark Finley » Mon May 08, 2017 4:57 pm

I don't know if it's been said, but what about a really nice bass trumpet? (not the typical bland jinbao offerings)

I've heard the schagerl in person, and it's amazing
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