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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Wyvern » Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:42 pm

Michael Bush wrote:I don't personally want one, and I get that Wessex is no longer really the company to produce it, but I continue to wonder why no one has had an instrument made in China that references the 187/188.

That will be because no supplier has taken a 187/188 to China and asked a factory to make a copy. The Chinese factories generally only make what respected western companies ask them to make.

You are correct, that is not in Wessex plans :wink:
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Michael Bush » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:08 pm

Is there some reason you didn't do this at the formative stage of the business? It can't be that no one ever thought of it, surely.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Wyvern » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:28 am

For the first two years of Wessex, I could not get any interest in making new model tubas for Wessex. The company had to be a certain size and the factory had to believe I knew what I was talking about before they would make new tubas for Wessex. Now Wessex is their biggest tuba customer and they will make virtually anything I ask.

So at the time I might have made 187/188 clone I could not - and now it is not really part of Wessex strategy.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby AHynds » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:22 pm

It's only been a few months, but I'm really curious--any updates on the French C tuba?
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Wyvern » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:46 pm

AHynds wrote:It's only been a few months, but I'm really curious--any updates on the French C tuba?

Not really, but Chuck Nickles and I are at the factory the last two weeks September, so there may have some news after that...
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby DouglasJB » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:13 pm

That's the one I'm waiting to hear about
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby jmdavis » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:43 pm

I agree with some of the early posts about the tubassist.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby WakinAZ » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:42 pm

bort wrote:Made in the UK? :)

Seems like kaiser BBb's are gaining popularity in the US, and were never unpopular in Europe. I'm not sure what your biggest rotary BBb is right now, but I'm sure something else could be done along those lines.


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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby AHynds » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:09 pm

WakinAZ wrote:
bort wrote:Made in the UK? :)

Seems like kaiser BBb's are gaining popularity in the US, and were never unpopular in Europe. I'm not sure what your biggest rotary BBb is right now, but I'm sure something else could be done along those lines.


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A 5-valve rotary Kaiser BBb would be greatly welcomed.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Wyvern » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:13 pm

A Kaiser BBb is in the planning stage, although I cannot say more. We are a long way from finalising the design :)
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby ronr » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:53 pm

Any news on the Michigan replacement?
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby ATschetter » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:40 pm

I know that Hirsbrunner is no more. Any chance that Wessex will resurrect any of their designs, or those of Willson? I've always liked Wilson's F tubas.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby kmorgancraw » Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:22 pm

ATschetter wrote:I know that Hirsbrunner is no more. Any chance that Wessex will resurrect any of their designs, or those of Willson? I've always liked Wilson's F tubas.


It has been stated that Wessex is moving away from clones and resurrections.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby ATschetter » Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:05 pm

kmorgancraw wrote:It has been stated that Wessex is moving away from clones and resurrections.

I see. It's a good thing to see the company starting to "stand on their own." At the very least I'm happy they're considering making a French C tuba if not drawing one up as we speak.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Mark Finley » Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:27 pm

Are they moving away from resurrections? Not that I can see.

I don't see anything wrong with resurrections, Wessex takes a huge gamble with some of these projects, I just can't imagine there is that large a market for many of these specialty instruments, but they have threads like this and try to respond to what we, this tiny corner of the market, ask for

The French tuba may not be an original design but it's an exciting development.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Wyvern » Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:56 pm

Just to clarify, Wessex has nothing against resurrections, or developing on established designs, but I don't think it fair to just clone/copy modern designs which other companies have invested in developing
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby bloke » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:19 pm

"Clones' " creation depend on one person's opinion (a person who has the ear of a Chino manufacturer, along with enough dough to pay for a minimum run) of what should be fax'ed.
(no...I'm actually not getting personal here. I'm speaking in general terms. Quite a few "clones" were created before anyone posting here was in the biz of selling any Chino-horns.)
Often, when a "clone" is created, it ends up being the wrong model...or the wrong version of a model...or with important details overlooked or only (often: to the detriment of the "clone") approximated.

otoh, some "clones" (rare, obviously) have ended up being better than the originals, so (apparently...??) those particularly "clones" weren't exact copies either. :|
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Snake Charmer » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:39 am

I would be the next for the french C. But please do NOT change the fingering. Not only for authenticity, but for very practical reasons: with the sixth valve doing a perfect fifth it is possible to finger down the lower octave with only one or two valves at a time pressed, only the Eb below staff (and one octave below) requires three valves. So you have a very similar resistance in blowing even between Db (4+6) and C (pedal). And an even sound, too. Just listen to Canadian Brass' Tuba Tiger Rag, when Chuck goes down at the end: F, stuffy Eb, very stuffy D, very open Pedal C and Bb. The same effect on every compensated horn.
And you can finger down more than an octave (from C to A!). The fifth valve as a second half-step is very comfortable for chromatic wizardry, I have mine pulled out for giving a half-step with 4 or 6 (Gb and E).
If you use a standard F-tuba fingering it would be a "French-looking-little-horn-how-cute-and-I-always-told-you-they-have-no-sound-in-the-low-register-even-i-never-heard-one-playing".
Wyvern wrote: "A French C tuba does not sound like a euphonium I believe - it is one of the saxhorn family" - Yes- but it still sounds more tuba-like than a Saxhorn.
One nice improvement would be a large-shank mouthpiece receiver. The choice on medium-shank mouthpieces is a bit restricted, with all that big Euph- and Bassbone mouthpieces life would be easier.
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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby Wyvern » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:43 am

ronr wrote:Any news on the Michigan replacement?

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Re: Wessex Tubas - what would you like?

Postby bort » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:21 am

ATschetter wrote:I know that Hirsbrunner is no more. Any chance that Wessex will resurrect any of their designs, or those of Willson? I've always liked Wilson's F tubas.


Why resurrect a Willson design, when that company is alive and well?
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