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Postby bloke » Tue May 23, 2017 1:00 pm

Most of this post was a response to someone's question in another thread, but is now labeled as it's OWN thread, so this information may more easily be found.

Sellmansberger modular 3-piece stainless steel tuba mouthpieces

four cup styles

Solo - shallow bowl
Imperial - medium depth (not deep) funnel
Symphony - deep (not way too deep) funnel-bowl combo
Orchestra Grand - similar to Symphony, but the bowl aspect is somewhat diminished

back-bores:
(offered in small/British, standard/American, medium large/P, and large/Euro shanks as noted below)

Solo back-bores (ONLY fit Solo cups)
Solo #0 - small throat, medium exit bore - B, A, P
Solo #1 - medium-large reverse taper throat, medium exit bore - B, A, P
Solo #2 - medium-large reverse taper throat, large exit bore - A, P, E

Imperial back-bores (ONLY fit Imperial cups)
Imperial (only one back-bore available at this time) B, A, P, E

Symphony back-bore (fits Symphony ~and~ Orchestra Grand cups) A, P, E
medium-large reverse taper throat, and large exit bore

Orchestra Grand back-bore (fits Symphony ~and~ Orchestra Grand cups) A, P, E
small-"ish" throat, medium large exit bore

X back-bore (fits Symphony ~and~ Orchestra Grand cups) A, P, E
medium-large standard throat, and large exit bore

note: If you're seeking back-bores with super-large throat diameters, we could encourage you to look elsewhere.

rim styles:
:arrow: ~ALL~ rims fit ~ALL~ cups.

#1 - not wide, crowned symmetrical top - i.e. not quite flat
- available in these embouchure openings: 32.3mm / 32.6mm / 33.2mm

note: As the rim is a separate part, we refer to this as "embouchure opening", whereas - with one-piece mouthpieces - this is referred to usually as "cup size". When the opening size gets smaller/larger, the thickness and contour of the same style of rim remains exactly the same.

#2 - our narrowest rim, asymmetrical, higher on the inside, falls away on the outside (bloke uses this style in a 33.2mm, fwiw)
- available in these embouchure openings: 32.3mm / 32.6mm / 33.2mm

HLB2 - a "Chicago-style Helleberg" rim. ~NOT~ flat. This rim is asymmetrical (as is the #2 style), but wider than the #2 style.
- available in these embouchure openings: 32.6mm / 33.2mm / 33.5mm

W-M - a wide/rounded European-style rim (think: Miraphone-ish, except with the high point moved to a spot that - we believe - offers better control)
- available in these embouchure openings: 32.0mm / 32.6mm / 33.3mm

NOTE: ALL of the Houser-designed rims ALSO fit ALL of our cups, and - for our customers' convenience - we stock the most popular ones in various embouchure openings, such as...
- Helleberg (flat...like Conn 120, perhaps even flatter...three embouchure openings)
- Helleberg Modified (a flat inner area, but rolled off on the outside, and narrower than a Helleberg rim...three embouchure openings)
- 33P (reminicent of the rims found on a couple of the popular/deep-cup PT mouthpieces...one size only)

We ALSO offer...
- Cup Extender rings (precision lathe-turned, and can be inserted between the cup and rim to extend the cup depth an additional c. 1/8")
- PROFUNDO rims (in many of the most popular styles/sizes, which have the same 1/8" of additional cup depth built into them that the Cup Extender Ring offers)
:idea: :arrow: These extender rings and deep rims, in effect, double our CUP offerings from four to eight. :shock:

- Besides the special titanium coatings (mostly: gold-tone, but special order in black), we also offer rims in black Lexan. We tend to stock far fewer of these - as there is less demand, but military musicians (in northern climes, in particular) find them quite handy.

note: The Profundo rims not ONLY convert the Symphony and Orchestra Grand cups into EXTRA-deep cups (or the bowl-shaped Solo cup to a medium-depth cup), but ALSO can be used to convert the medium-depth Imperial cup into a VERY powerful "regular"-deep cup that (the combination of which) seems to work particularly well with the PT-6, Wisemann, and MRP contrabass tubas. Using this combination with these particular models, the smallest-possible-fitting Imperial shank exterior size seems to maximize the effectiveness of this combination.

Again...We've not yet developed a website, even though "midsouthmusic-dot-com" has been purchased. I'm wide-open to phone calls for questions (Mrs. bloke has even learned a great deal about this stuff - and how to advise), and we can bill securely (via email) by sending a link to a secure-pay website.

There are well over a thousand VIABLE (parts meant to fit with each other) combinations :shock: , but it's REALLY easy 8) (as the choices are quite obvious and "matter-of-fact") to quickly make a decision.
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Postby opus37 » Wed May 24, 2017 11:28 am

I learned something, I thought the Imperial cup was a shallower version of the Symphony. I guess I had that wrong.
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Postby Mark Finley » Wed May 24, 2017 11:40 am

One thing I found very helpful is the Spec sheet on the houser page. Is there any reason you don't use a cross section diagram like this when explaining the differences in the mouthpieces?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0eufw ... sp=sharing
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Postby bort » Wed May 24, 2017 11:50 am

The spec sheet is really cool if you open the PDF and then choose which Layers to display. Then you can compare any number of rims that you want to see, instead of viewing the static PDF of every rim all together.

A low-tech solution to showing the differences... would really look great as a Website tool.
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Postby Steginkt » Wed May 24, 2017 1:07 pm

Thanks Bloke!
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Postby bloke » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:57 am

bumping this for a couple of people who emailed...

oh...If you consider buying a set-up...PLEASE buy from ME...!!!
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Postby Doc » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:45 am

So if someone wanted a solidly bowl shaped deep mp (think Germanic sound) for a large (not Yorkish) contrabass tuba, what would you recommend?

I assume you could piece together a solo cup with an extender and profundo rim, but not knowing anything about the playing dynamics of the Symphony (or others for that matter), this may be a less than ideal setup...?
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Postby bloke » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:54 pm

…probably Bach, yes...??

... and you guys: stop shilling my wares. I'm completely out of five dollar bills. :roll:
Maybe that other guy will hire you on…?? :wink: :P
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Postby Doc » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:37 am

What are the differences/advantages/disadvantages of the reverse taper Symphony backbore vs. the X standard taper backbore?
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Postby bloke » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:25 am

Doc wrote:What are the differences/advantages/disadvantages of the reverse taper Symphony backbore vs. the X standard taper backbore?


often: (depending on the instrument, and often depending on the size/style of the instrument...so "not always") sped-up low range response without completely destroying the venturi of a mouthpiece. In other words, the smallest place in a mouthpiece remains c. 8.2mm, though that place has been moved.

Those who can play on 9mm-throat mouthpieces (as an approach to speeding up low range response)...all power to them, but - to me, personally - that's like blowing into a piece of plumbing pipe - both feel-wise sound-wise...and - at that point - I begin to lose control of what I'm doing and/or must work particularly hard to ~not~ lose control of what I'm doing. Again... It's - pretty much - a "vanity" line of mouthpieces. Much of it is about "what works for Joe Sellmansberger, so - hey - would you care to try it out ?"
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Postby jtuba » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:44 pm

Question about the old two piece mouthpieces, the difference between the old Solo 1 and Solo 2 underpart is now the difference between the Solo 1 and Solo 2 backbore? Cup was unchanged in the older two piece Solos? Thanks.
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Postby bloke » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:38 pm

jtuba wrote:Question about the old two piece mouthpieces, the difference between the old Solo 1 and Solo 2 underpart is now the difference between the Solo 1 and Solo 2 backbore? Cup was unchanged in the older two piece Solos? Thanks.


absolutely correct, and now - additionally - there is a #0 back-bore offered. (I've been using the #0 lately...' had used #2 for a while...then #1...)
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Postby iiipopes » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:28 pm

I can vouch for the Imperial cup with an extender makes a very versatile not-too-deep mouthpiece. Using the extender allows you to tailor the mouthpiece by taking a little off the thickness to really fine tune a player's embouchure and breath support to the tuba with the desired cup depth and response. It is my #1 with the 32.6 lexan HB-Mod rim on my Bessophone. Except for a Jim New custom-18 in the same rim I.D. and .323 throat (instead of Bach's nominal 1.26 cup I.D. and large throat) for souzy and a backup Kelly 18 just because, I sold all my other mouthpieces.
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Postby bloke » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:52 pm

iiipopes wrote:I can vouch for the Imperial cup with an extender makes a very versatile not-too-deep mouthpiece. Using the extender allows you to tailor the mouthpiece by taking a little off the thickness to really fine tune a player's embouchure and breath support to the tuba with the desired cup depth and response. It is my #1 with the 32.6 lexan H :shock: B-Mod rim on my Bessophone. Except for a Jim New custom-18 in the same rim I.D. and .323 throat (instead of Bach's nominal 1.26 cup I.D. and large throat) for souzy and a backup Kelly 18 just because, I sold all my other mouthpieces.

thnx ! :D

That combination (or with one of the tall "Profundo" rims, which accomplishes the same thing) is the "power" mouthpiece of the collection...and without being the "bright-sounding" mouthpiece of the collection. Really "dark"-sounding tubas (which naturally resonate as if there is a "bass knob" which is turned up really high) where more clarity/definition is desired...?? Try the IMPERIAL cup with the cup extender or (your choice of style/embouchure opening) tall rim. If it sucks for you, send it back. 8)
suggested for Nirschl 4/4, PT-6, PT-6P, 19"-bell comp. Eb tubas, etc...
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Postby Casca Grossa » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:16 pm

Joe...can you shoot me a pm when you get a chance? Need to make a purchase.

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Postby bloke » Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:49 pm

Casca Grossa wrote:Joe...can you shoot me a pm when you get a chance? Need to make a purchase.

Thanks


Thanks... 8)
Just use sig. info for email, plz.
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Postby Casca Grossa » Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:14 am

bloke wrote:
Casca Grossa wrote:Joe...can you shoot me a pm when you get a chance? Need to make a purchase.

Thanks


Thanks... 8)
Just use sig. info for email, plz.


Joe...I've been trying but they don't seem to be received on your end. I'll give it another go right now.
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Postby bloke » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:01 pm

Casca Grossa wrote:
bloke wrote:
Casca Grossa wrote:Joe...can you shoot me a pm when you get a chance? Need to make a purchase.

Thanks


Thanks... 8)
Just use sig. info for email, plz.


Joe...I've been trying but they don't seem to be received on your end. I'll give it another go right now.


I just - for the third time - sent you a link to pay securely online. Check, please, to see if these emails are being funneled into your spam folder.
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