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(SOLD) Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby The Horn Guys » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:29 pm

Sold out, thank you!

We have a set of 4 Wisemann C900 5/4 piston CC tubas in stock, all in silver plate with gold plated trim. Includes hard case. Tubenet special $5795 plus $250 shipping.

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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby kmorgancraw » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:59 pm

Do you know if the production of these tubas will continue now that Buffet owns Wisemann?
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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby The Horn Guys » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:14 pm

Buffet has no relationship to Wiseman that I ever heard. Wiseman is a brand of Beijing Deyong Musical Instruments. We do have more of the C900 tubas on order in silver plate, delivery in 90 days. If you have other info, please post.

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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby kmorgancraw » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:45 pm

Beijing Wind Instruments Manufacture Company Limited is the parent of Beijing Deyong, the parent of Wisemann. Buffet bought Beijing Wind Instruments Manufacture Company Limited.

http://mmrmagazine.com/91-upfront/4366- ... -wind.html

So will the PT-6p be built in China now you think?
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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby The Horn Guys » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:13 pm

kmorgancraw wrote:Beijing Wind Instruments Manufacture Company Limited is the parent of Beijing Deyong, the parent of Wisemann. Buffet bought Beijing Wind Instruments Manufacture Company Limited.

http://mmrmagazine.com/91-upfront/4366- ... -wind.html" target="_blank

So will the PT-6p be built in China now you think?


Interesting. This hasn't changed how we do business with DY Music. No, production won't move. Any maker promoting German instruments knows better than to move production to China if they wish to keep the perceived value high.

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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby bloke » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:17 pm

After GM was given B&S (after the fall of the "Iron Curtain") in exchange for keeping it open (at least, this is what I've heard 200th-hand, so please understand that I'm repeating stuff I've heard, and not verified facts) I noticed a bit-by-bit migration of manufacturing of models from Geretsried to Markneukirchen. Surely (??), this saved quite a bit of money (just as moving a factory from California to rural Tennessee would save money) with no drop in quality.

Perhaps :?: , Buffet's purchase of that company (with a demonstrated-to-be high-grade manufacturing capability), is a similar long-term investment with eventual or immediate/gradual manufacturing migration plans.

just fwiw, not being a huge PT-6P fan (but appreciating them, admitting that I could do my job with one of them, and having received completely unsolicited compliments (i.e. NO "...so what do you guys think of the sound of this tuba?") when playing a Wisemann - with the 'bone section unaware that the instrument was Chinese...

...I strongly prefer (over an array of samples, and cost aside) the Wisemann "copy" to the B&S-manufactured original.
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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby bisontuba » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:50 pm

bloke wrote:After GM was given B&S (after the fall of the "Iron Curtain") in exchange for keeping it open (at least, this is what I've heard 200th-hand, so please understand that I'm repeating stuff I've heard, and not verified facts) I noticed a bit-by-bit migration of manufacturing of models from Geretsried to Markneukirchen. Surely (??), this saved quite a bit of money (just as moving a factory from California to rural Tennessee would save money) with no drop in quality.

Perhaps :?: , Buffet's purchase of that company (with a demonstrated-to-be high-grade manufacturing capability), is a similar long-term investment with eventual or immediate/gradual manufacturing migration plans.

just fwiw, not being a huge PT-6P fan (but appreciating them, admitting that I could do my job with one of them, and having received completely unsolicited compliments (i.e. NO "...so what do you guys think of the sound of this tuba?") when playing a Wisemann - with the 'bone section unaware that the instrument was Chinese...

...I strongly prefer (over an array of samples, and cost aside) the Wisemann "copy" to the B&S-manufactured original.


Totally makes sense...it's called survival...adapt or perish....
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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby bloke » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:32 pm

bisontuba wrote:
bloke wrote:After GM was given B&S (after the fall of the "Iron Curtain") in exchange for keeping it open (at least, this is what I've heard 200th-hand, so please understand that I'm repeating stuff I've heard, and not verified facts) I noticed a bit-by-bit migration of manufacturing of models from Geretsried to Markneukirchen. Surely (??), this saved quite a bit of money (just as moving a factory from California to rural Tennessee would save money) with no drop in quality.

Perhaps :?: , Buffet's purchase of that company (with a demonstrated-to-be high-grade manufacturing capability), is a similar long-term investment with eventual or immediate/gradual manufacturing migration plans.

just fwiw, not being a huge PT-6P fan (but appreciating them, admitting that I could do my job with one of them, and having received completely unsolicited compliments (i.e. NO "...so what do you guys think of the sound of this tuba?") when playing a Wisemann - with the 'bone section unaware that the instrument was Chinese...

...I strongly prefer (over an array of samples, and cost aside) the Wisemann "copy" to the B&S-manufactured original.


Totally makes sense...it's called survival...adapt or perish....


no...The Germans and the Chinese should be forced - via some sort of "uniting of nations" or something - to pay the same high wages, and to "sustain" this via unlimited debt creation and money-printing. That's much more "fair".

B.S. rhetoric aside, $6050 rocks for that outfit, imho.
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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby Cthuba » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:16 pm

bloke wrote:
bisontuba wrote:
bloke wrote:After GM was given B&S (after the fall of the "Iron Curtain") in exchange for keeping it open (at least, this is what I've heard 200th-hand, so please understand that I'm repeating stuff I've heard, and not verified facts) I noticed a bit-by-bit migration of manufacturing of models from Geretsried to Markneukirchen. Surely (??), this saved quite a bit of money (just as moving a factory from California to rural Tennessee would save money) with no drop in quality.

Perhaps :?: , Buffet's purchase of that company (with a demonstrated-to-be high-grade manufacturing capability), is a similar long-term investment with eventual or immediate/gradual manufacturing migration plans.

just fwiw, not being a huge PT-6P fan (but appreciating them, admitting that I could do my job with one of them, and having received completely unsolicited compliments (i.e. NO "...so what do you guys think of the sound of this tuba?") when playing a Wisemann - with the 'bone section unaware that the instrument was Chinese...

...I strongly prefer (over an array of samples, and cost aside) the Wisemann "copy" to the B&S-manufactured original.


Totally makes sense...it's called survival...adapt or perish....


no...The Germans and the Chinese should be forced - via some sort of "uniting of nations" or something - to pay the same high wages, and to "sustain" this via unlimited debt creation and money-printing. That's much more "fair".

B.S. rhetoric aside, $6050 rocks for that outfit, imho.


Survival or not I find it inexcusable for an instrument that is over 13K to play anything less than the highest standard for the instrument when compared to a clone of the same model that is 6K. If anything I hope that this market has put pressure on german manufacturers to up their game in quality control.

Fwiw I've played newer PT6's (3198) that are consistently good and only one PT6P that was passable, out of the 5 or 6, and that was not a new model. PT606's (GR41) are even wooorrrrse.

It is inexcusable for a company to allow anything less than the highest standard out of their factory.

That is not to say that there aren't outstanding german manufacturers out there that consistently produce good instruments. This model in particular is one that has irked me with consistency.
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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby bloke » Sun Aug 06, 2017 7:16 pm

I don't worry about excusing anyone regarding anything they make/own/sell.
It's their stuff...not mine.

There are plenty of tubas out there that I would sell (as people like all sorts of tubas), but are not tubas I'm interested in owning.

I've never seen a particularly poorly-built PT6-P. It's just that most Wisemann 900 tubas play about as well as the best of the PT6-P tubas, playing characteristics-wise, in my judgement...Again, PT6-P tubas all seem to be built just fine.

Tons of people seem to like this model. :arrow: I wish I did. I had a really great Wisemann (bought it from Mark Marx - up in NW NY state). Those (regardless of German-made, or knock-off) just aren't quite what I'm looking for.
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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby bloke » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:23 pm

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Re: Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby The Horn Guys » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:39 pm

bloke wrote:bump


Thanks for the bump. We sold those 4, a dozen overall. All decent players, but I don't know that I need to buy any more. The poor valve cap threading bothers me, as does the shadiness of the maker.

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Re: (SOLD) Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby bloke » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:41 pm

The only weakness I see (not with the two I've owned, but with other people - from reading the boob-Tube) is that the mouthpipes need to be kept clean and free of lime, as they are relatively thin-wall and yellow brass. I've never encountered any valve cap problems...Same as any others: turn backwards "CLICK", turn forward. Buffet owns the company, yes...??

I'll never import any of them. I know that they cost, and I don't see much opportunity for much of a profit. I'm not in the "tuba public service" biz...well, occasionally I am, but not usually.
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Re: (SOLD) Wisemann C900 at Horn Guys

Postby bloke » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:33 pm

...and top valve caps - with a very low-tech alteration - really do not need to be taken off and reinstalled that often...

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