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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby bloke » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:05 am

yup...I knew you would do those things, but many others just assume that a picture is "it" (i.e. "what the final product will be").
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby KiltieTuba » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:49 am

Mark Finley wrote:I'm not sure the concept of replacing a piston valve with a rotor is one than anyone can corner the market on, legally. Either way, you two work it out in private. We're not to hash it out in public on the board


Isn't this a discussion board? Aren't we to discuss?

There have been multiple instances of such discussions being revised or otherwise deleted when someone brought to light something that's been copied or otherwise alluded to.
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby Mark Finley » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:56 am

Both sides are aware of the issue. It's up to them to work it out. I haven't stopped anyone else from discussing it, I just want them to talk privately
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby bloke » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:38 pm

bad pun: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/circular-argument

Personally, I think this (general concept) is one of Johnathan's better ideas..."BAT's for Englishmen"
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby iiipopes » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:39 pm

Time to lock this thread.
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby KiltieTuba » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:09 pm

iiipopes wrote:Time to lock this thread.


Why?

If we can't discuss simple designs and TUBAS, why bother having TubeNet?
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby iiipopes » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:42 pm

KiltieTuba wrote:
iiipopes wrote:Time to lock this thread.

Why?
If we can't discuss simple designs and TUBAS, why bother having TubeNet?

It would not be because of the discussion. It would be because of what appears to be a serious disagreement between two persons that probably is not a proper point of discussion here on TubeNet.
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby Mark Finley » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:07 pm

I am hoping they work everything out on their own and I do not have to lock this thread
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby bloke » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:45 pm

bloke wrote:bad pun: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/circular-argument

Personally, I think this (general concept) is one of Johnathan's better ideas..."BAT's for Englishmen"


Just in case this is the "issue", this post (the part that I typed) was not meant to be sarcasm.
"BAT's for Englishmen"...seriously...and a good idea.

Realize, please: I own/use a comp Eb regularly, and am fixing up for myself the uber-nerdiest comp Bb - the recording bell version.

BAT's: Wildly popular amount tuba players, and almost all tuba players wish they had one.
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby kingconn » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:00 am

As long as you are making the 4th valve a rotor, I would love if someone made to operate with the right or left hand. I like the Besson 983 but often when playing low passages I reach across with my left hand to operate the 4th valve.
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby the elephant » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:28 am

bloke wrote:Just in case this is the "issue"...


You were not involved at all. Two other parties were having a disagreement. I think that bit has been excised and they were encouraged to discuss the issue elsewhere, in private.
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby GC » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:23 am

Could we get a couple of pictures of the 4th valve assembly?
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby Wyvern » Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:04 am

GC wrote:Could we get a couple of pictures of the 4th valve assembly?

Later! The 4th valve is behind 2nd valve slide and removing that slide enables easy access to the rotor from both sides. Lever is on 1st valve slide giving short linkage and easy reach.

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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby Wyvern » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:12 pm

The 6/4 compensated BBb continues to be developed, now with re-routed 3rd and 4th valve loops. We are hoping to involve a top British Championship BBb Bass player to give us feedback before the design is finalised.

Easy to hold and play with depth of sound beyond anything previously heard in a Brass Bands, I can wait to see these out and hear these within a band.

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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby bloke » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:22 pm

This tuba continues to interest me.
No...I dunno if I would ever buy one, but the idea is truly original, and could - finally - offer that "imitating a string bass" type of sound to British/British-style brass bands.

Compensating or not, it's the rare tuba that offers its intonation to the player requiring no #1 slide manipulation.
Some of the comp. Eb's are "nearly there", and I don't feel compelled to do anything with my Eb to mobilize the #1 slide...and euphonium intonation is typically nebulous (with the barn-door-wide "lipping" that is usually available) with some of them also featuring main slide triggers. The BBb's, though, all seem as though they could a bit of help.

The right hand thumb (with most any 3+1 comp instrument) does nothing. I wonder (??) if someone in that plant could come up with a way for the left hand thumb to either manipulate the #1 slide on that behemoth - or (possibly...??) the main slide...OR for a way for the right hand thumb to control your #4 rotor, and (then) a way for the left hand to operate a slide. Heck (though quite odd-looking), were the left hand to be completely freed up, the #1 slide could be reoriented to horizontal - out towards the bell, and feeding into the left hand.

yeah...weird ideas, but tubas are weird anyway.
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby MN_TimTuba » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:54 pm

bloke wrote:bad pun: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/circular-argument

Personally, I think this (general concept) is one of Johnathan's better ideas..."BAT's for Englishmen"

So, that would make it a Cricket BAT?
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Re: Creation of a 6/4 Compensated BBb!

Postby roughrider » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:30 am

Well played indeed!
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