one of the many reasons I choose to not sell these

[bloke]

Ain't nobody got time for that.

[windshieldbug]

I, personally, choose to hire 4 or 5 subcontractors; one for each valve.
Then it is *never* my fault if I miss a note.
Expensive? Not really, on the last night I just tell them, "You've been paid enough, if you don't like it- sue me!"
I hear that works really well in other forms of business...

[hup_d_dup]

What is it? (beside being broken)

Hup

[bloke]

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/3-4-Bb-Key-Yellow-brass_60063612261.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.13.4a05182eJNWz98

[bort]

pot metal?

[bloke]

pot metal?

no...but two-piece construction, and delicate...and (as Mike Mason so aptly and frankly puts things - via labeling things that others shy away from labeling, and asking players "which one did you buy?" since no one else has the courage to ask them) clicky.

[hup_d_dup]

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/3-4-Bb-Key-Yellow-brass_60063612261.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.13.4a05182eJNWz98

OK, it's a part from this tuba, right? Am I on the right track?

Give me another clue, please.

Hup

[Ken Crawford]

I think he's glad he hasn't sold any rotary valve tubas from Jinbao because Jinbao refuses, for some reason, to use quality components on any of their rotary valve instruments. Including from the "high-end" Jinbao vendors. They all suck, badly. I don't know why such vendors refuse to acknowledge the inferiority of their product. The valves on my John Packer F on the other hand are pretty much B&S quality, I love them.

Edit: Actually Schiller, yes Schiller, built by Jinbao, has in the past sold a 6 valve PT16 clone with genuine Minibal linkage. Those were nice. So Jinbao CAN do it, they just choose not too. And Wessex COULD be using them but chooses not too. That new $10K Kaiser will probably come with the same craptastic toothpick linkage they've always used.

[hup_d_dup]

How about that. Using Bloke's thread to trash Wessex on the Sponsor forum.

Hup

[Wyvern]

For your information, I know of only a handful of broken linkage ever occurring with Wessex tubas out of hundreds of tubas sold. When that has occurred it has been at the joint, but as I say it is a very rare occurrence, and then Wessex has sent replacement part at no charge under warrenty (we have spares in stock). The rods are actually made of stainless steel, so hardly weak and vulnerable to breakage.

[Ken Crawford]

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. My criticism is only meant to be constructive. Maybe I'm the only one that thinks Wessex can improve their product. I mean if Schiller can do it, surely Wessex can.

[Wyvern]

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. My criticism is only meant to be constructive. Maybe I'm the only one that thinks Wessex can improve their product. I mean if Schiller can do it, surely Wessex can.

Wessex is always making improvements in every area of the tubas construction. Wherever we can improve, we do improve. For example I think the long running problem of difficult valve threads we have at last solved, but more on that later...

As I stated above, the rotary linkage has not been a big problem. Nice smooth and quiet rotary valves have been our priority, and that is now the case - and as with everything from Wessex quality checked by our US and European team of professional musicians before accepting - and nothing leaves the factory unless every aspect is fully satisfactory. Our quality checking is so rigorous that during our August factory visit only 47% of instruments were accepted to be shipped out and the factory QA manager was sacked!