Venting slides (not valves)

[iiipopes]

Oh, and what about those trumpet players with those first vavle saddles and third valve rings. What do they know?

Point taken, Matt! When are you going to have those extra valves removed from your horn? 1st and 3rd slide triggers ought to do what you need.

Or comp loops. Hi, Ho, Besson...Away!!!!! (cue theme...)

[TubaRay]

[Hi, Ho, Besson...Away!!!!! (cue theme...)

To the dump! To the dump! To the dump, dump, dump!!!

[Matt G]

Wow, about as off-topic as I have ever seen.

Then you haven't really seen that many posts here have you?

I have seen a lot.

Just been staying out of the tubenet a little more recently.

Look under my avatar and then under yours.

[windshieldbug]

Saddles, Trigger, off-topic topics, good natured kidding taken seriously, what could be more TubeNet?

[Philip Jensen]

On my BBb horn, the G at the top of the staff has always been a bit problematic. Always a little hard to nail. On this horn, I can mash down just about any fingering I want and get something withing 15 cents of the G. Unfortunately everything is about 15 cents off one way or the other.

As I've been taking lessons and getting better I find myself less and less tolerant of intonation issues. I've gone from a non-slide puller to a slide puller, (only for 3 notes now, debating a 4th). I've even got the vented first valve to prove it Now when I use 1,2 for the top G in conjuction with a slide pull, the G slots great with a vibrant sound. Alternative fingerings don't work well on this horn, but they do on my Eb

For me, I can really feel the difference. It is like someone turns on a resonance amplifier comparing pulled vs non-pulled

[iiipopes]

[Hi, Ho, Besson...Away!!!!! (cue theme...)

To the dump! To the dump! To the dump, dump, dump!!!

You haven't heard my Besson. In my community band there are the usual assortment of 2 Miraphones, East German "Star" stencil, Conn, King, another Besson non-comp, and occasionally others. Mine is the one that gets the compliments for tone and musicality.

[Chuck(G)]

Mine is the one that gets the compliments for tone and musicality.

You've just discovered the Philosopher's Stone of tubadom, evidently! Where can I buy a musical tuba?


(The guy sitting next to me has a Musica and doesn't know what the 'ell the factory did with the last letter...)

[Rick Denney]

Point taken, Matt! When are you going to have those extra valves removed from your horn? 1st and 3rd slide triggers ought to do what you need.

When trumpet players have to routinely play in the octave above their fundamental.

But let's face it: Playing in tune in all situations is an objective. Changing the length of the instrument is but one strategy. Changing the embouchure is another strategy. Within the strategy of changing the length of the instrument, there are a range of tactics. Some use automatic compensation, others adjust slides, and still others use alternate fingerings. Meeting the objective may require both strategies and several tactics.

My rules were intended to dissuade someone from adjusting pitch (by whatever means) without expressly connecting it to the objective of playing in tune in the given situation. Only (some)other tuba players will care what tactic a given player uses in a given situation to achieve the objective, but all musicians will know it if the objective is not met.

Rick "always in favor of doing things on purpose" Denney

[quinterbourne]

Wow, about as off-topic as I have ever seen.

Then you haven't really seen that many posts here have you?

I have seen a lot.

Just been staying out of the tubenet a little more recently.

Look under my avatar and then under yours.

Just sayin' that many posts around here get significantly more off topic than this one... and I don't really think that this has gotten off topic much at all. The original post was about slide venting, which is associated with slide pulling and intonation issues with it.

Oh, and just because you have more posts that I have does not make you better than me.

[DCottrell]

Saddles, Trigger, off-topic topics, good natured kidding taken seriously, what could be more TubeNet?

I feel honored. This is my first post with an official windshieldbug visual pun as well as jocular post!!

Snf,Snf .. I'd like to thank my 7th grade band teacher for switching me off the trumpet to a real instrument, and the guys at Dillon's and BBrass for putting up with my lack of funds and great desire to own large instruments...

[iiipopes]

...With some well-aligned and well-lubricated slides sitting right there by my left hand, it seems awfully silly to not simply slightly change the length of the tuba to the ideal length for a particular situation.

I have done this on my souzy.

As to this notion that (as seems to be implied) these extra mechanics are interferring with one's musical expression (or something...??), I would say that it does this no more than does the depressing of a 4th valve, 5th valve, 6th valve, the movement of a trombone slide, or any other mechanical action as relates to any other instrument. Indeed, pianists use all ten fingers (and at least one foot...Some use their eyebrows and tongues ), and are regularly expected to do far more complicated and nimble things with their digits than we are with ours. (Master woodwind players and guitarists, obviously, regularly employ eight or nine digits in their playing without "musical distraction".) ALL physical musical technique is 100% "mechanical". The question is this: "How beautifully done are the mechanics?"

And so are my comp loops.

I've searched for 25-30 years for tubas that sound the way I want them to sound without having to force them to comply with scales and tuning defined in western music. I've found them...At this point in my life, I could buy whatever I want - and indeed *I have.

And so have I. In short, I agree totally. The mechanics are a means to an end. I prefer comp loops, the guy next to me in lodge band works his MW BB thumb & 1st slides like a trombone, and the two Miraphones next to me in community band just blow. We all get the job done to the satisfaction of the director and to the benefit of the ensemble.

[MaryAnn]

Geez, I think I'll give up tuba. With my horn, all I have to do is move my hand in the bell, and that's second nature at this point.

MA, who was just the recipient of yet another tuba-shipping disaster, and who thinks that was the *very*last*one* for her.

As for off topic....where are the pictures of scantily-clad women and plates of greasy food?

[Chuck(G)]

As for off topic....where are the pictures of scantily-clad women and plates of greasy food?

How about a greasy woman?

[TubaRay]

I guess that will have to do.

[windshieldbug]

As for off topic....where are the pictures of scantily-clad women and plates of greasy food?

[Matt G]

Oh, and just because you have more posts that I have does not make you better than me.

Reading Comprehension > You

There is also a date under the avatar...

I have been a post-er on some form of tubenet since 1995. That was all I was saying.