who plays a Nirschl 4/4 CC?

tubacdk · Post by **tubacdk** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:39 pm

I just purchased one of the 4/4 Nirschl CCs, the later model - WN-15 (Perantucci Model). I'm very very happy with it, and I'm wondering how many of these there are out there, and who plays one. I'm talking the Nirschl, not the Besson version.

thanks,
chuck

http://www.chuckkoontz.com/wn15.jpg

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:05 pm

So, why not the Besson as well, since several companies have made Nirschl designed tubas?

Toobist · Post by **Toobist** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:05 pm

I'm the proud owner of the version before that one. It's very similar but for a slightly different configuration in the slides, fifth valve location and leadpipe placement. Hm...it sounds like it's very different now, doesn't it.... I tried out the Perantucci one back at the ITEC in Regina and I found the reciever was quite a bit closer to the bell which I didn't really like but the fifth valve action was far better. Mine has an arm that run above and around the valve set making a little clunky. I've learned to live with it.

Anyway, the response on the horn is better than any other horn I've ever tried and I can't believe the effortless volume I can't get from it. I remember the big D's in Carmina Buranna (sp?) being most impressive.

It's served me well in several orchestras. Holding up the bottom end of the Toronto Symphony was more than possible with this 4/4! (Oh my God! I don't use a BAT when I play in a major orchestra! Gasp!)

It's quite usable in quintet situations as well. I've been experimenting with some smaller mouthpieces (Settled on PT-65) for chamber stuff. My other mouthpiece is a Parke Offenloch that I absolutely love.

A very, very versatile and reliable instrument. The tuning doesn't suck and the sound I make with it has got me into some nice gigs.

Al Carter
Toronto, Ontario

Steve Marcus · Post by **Steve Marcus** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:29 pm

I own a lacquer 4/4 CC Nirschl that was built in 1994. According to Herr Nirschl, he built 15 horns in this particular configuration. It has the elaborately engraved logo, "Meister Walter Nirschl." It had been sold new by Orpheus Music in San Antonio.

I love it.

tubalamb · Post by **tubalamb** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:01 pm

I own one as my personal instrument, and the band is currently in the process of getting another one for me (military owned instrument). They're extremely versatile, even sounding/playing instruments.

Steve Lamb
USCG Band

tubacdk · Post by **tubacdk** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:55 pm

iiipopes wrote:So, why not the Besson as well, since several companies have made Nirschl designed tubas?

I've played the Besson version and it played a lot differently than the Nirschl I own. I ask particuarly about this model because it's the only one I've seen around Los Angeles, I really like it a lot, and I'm wondering if it's a particularly rare instrument.

I own a lacquer 4/4 CC Nirschl that was built in 1994. According to Herr Nirschl, he built 15 horns in this particular configuration. It has the elaborately engraved logo, "Meister Walter Nirschl."

Mine is engraved Meister Walter Nirschl, but it is a simple text engraving. Does yours look like a vastly different horn from mine?

-ck

Steve Marcus · Post by **Steve Marcus** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:15 pm

tubacdk wrote:Mine is engraved Meister Walter Nirschl, but it is a simple text engraving. Does yours look like a vastly different horn from mine?

Yes. Mine has a very ornate pattern engraved around the "Meister Walter Nirschl" name. The letters of the name itself are more flowing than the block letters in your horn. And, of course, mine has no connection with the Perantucci name.

Another aspect of the construction of my horn is that the 5th valve rotor is placed after the 4 pistons with extensive linkage to the thumb paddle. I have had an extra spring attached from one section of this linkage to the other to improve the speed and response of the paddle/rotor.

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:53 pm

Pictures! More Pictures!!

This could be the start of a great compendium to trace the history, design philosophy, compare models, fine tune differences and design elements and intonation from model to model, etc.

More! Please!

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:57 pm

iiipopes wrote:Pictures! More Pictures!!

This could be the start of a great compendium to trace the history, design philosophy, compare models, fine tune differences and design elements and intonation from model to model, etc.

More! Please!

or, you could just contact Herr Nirschl

Walter Nirschl 011 49 81 71 93590 (TEL) 011 49 71 935999 (FAX)

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:30 pm

Well, that as well. My point is that the instruments are made for players, so getting the player's input is just as important as getting an interview with Walter Nirschel.

tubagirl5 · Post by **tubagirl5** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:32 pm

I played one of these very horns at a convention in FL (at the custom music booth). I really liked the horn and agree with everyone's opinions of them...I however had a problem with my hand getting in the way of the 5th valve rotor when having to use it (with other valve combinations of course)...it's not for us small handed folk, unfortunately.

Toobist · Post by **Toobist** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:21 pm

Super Smooth,

You could contact Walter himself and see about getting the parts sent to a repair tech that you trust.

walter@walternirschl.de is the address given to me.

Al Carter

TubaVanGordon · Post by **TubaVanGordon** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:34 pm

I play on the Meister Walter Nirschl 4/4 CC, with no Perantucci stuff, and I love it. I've had it for almost 2 years. I use a LOUD LM-7 with it and the pitch is highly centered and it's fairly easy to get a well blended sound in orchestras or in small ensembles.

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