Arnold Jacobs Tuba Tree?

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:40 pm

No disrespect intended, but almost EVERY serious tubist today can probably fit into category C.

LoyalTubist · Post by **LoyalTubist** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:48 pm

I'm not so sure about Jake. Now, Bill Bell, YES!!!

Two of my teachers studied with him. Ev Gilmore knew Jake. Does that count?

bort · Post by **bort** » Mon May 01, 2006 6:45 pm

So you're looking for people with a "Jacobs Number" of 3.

(I'll be surprised if anyone gets that.)

LoyalTubist · Post by **LoyalTubist** » Mon May 01, 2006 6:48 pm

It's the separation factor. I know it well. My ex-wife knows everyone. Her highest factor for anyone (including famous people) is 4!

Dylan King · Post by **Dylan King** » Mon May 01, 2006 7:15 pm

LoyalTubist wrote:It's the separation factor. I know it well. My ex-wife knows everyone. Her highest factor for anyone (including famous people) is 4!

Then I guess your highest is five. Imagine that. You and Kevin Bacon like peas in a pod.

LoyalTubist · Post by **LoyalTubist** » Mon May 01, 2006 7:19 pm

No... It's more like nine now... I don't see her anymore.

Dylan King · Post by **Dylan King** » Mon May 01, 2006 7:22 pm

LoyalTubist wrote:No... It's more like nine now... I don't see her anymore.

I believe one only needs to have met a person one time to count. Then again, I've never seen an official rulebook for this game.

Will Smith said that in only six degrees we can relate somehow to anyone in the world. And as far as I know, he is the authority on the subject. Well, at least he's rich.

brianf · Post by **brianf** » Mon May 01, 2006 7:56 pm

No disrespect intended, but almost EVERY serious tubist today can probably fit into category C.

â€œNearly every brass player in America has studied with Arnold Jacobs, whether [that player] knows it or not.â€

KenS · Post by **KenS** » Tue May 02, 2006 12:05 am

Kopprasch

and always warmed up with #20...

Once I graduated from those, then started with excerpts. Franck in d minor.

Art Hovey · Post by **Art Hovey** » Tue May 02, 2006 12:23 am

I hope you'll do the same for Bill Bell. The overlap will be interesting.

LoyalTubist · Post by **LoyalTubist** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:48 am

Thank you for saying that. I am a grandson student of Bill Bell (I studied with one of his students). And I am sure there are those who would say the same thing about Harvey Phillips.

brianf · Post by **brianf** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:49 am

I hope you'll do the same for Bill Bell. The overlap will be interesting.

Harvey Phillips told many of his students that they were second generation students of Bill Bell rather than students of harvey Phillips. Both were true, maybe this is an old school approach that today's teachers should also do - remember who they learned from.

Stephen Shoop · Post by **Stephen Shoop** » Tue May 02, 2006 9:15 am

I think it is important to mention that great tuba playing did not begin with Arnold Jacobs and Bill Bell. Earlier greats include such players as August Helleberg, Helleberg's two sons August Jr., and John, Fred Geib, John Kuhn, and Philip Donatelli. (A young Fred Geib studied with Helleberg and I believe Mr. Jacobs studied with Donatelli).

MaryAnn · Post by **MaryAnn** » Tue May 02, 2006 2:10 pm

At an IHS symposium once, they asked people in the very large audience who had studied either with Philip Farkas or with a student of his, to stand up. Almost the entire audience stood up, including me, because my first teacher was a Farkas student. My last teacher was also a Farkas student, and probably some in the middle were too, but I never asked.

MA, 3rd degree Farkas student

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:14 pm

As others have said, this might be a futile effort because it touches everybody.

After all, I'm a second-generation AND a third-generation Jacobs student. I studied with Mike Sanders (briefly, and the result is NOT his fault, as is true of my other teachers), who was a student of Jacobs and Cherry Beauregard. I have also studied (also briefly) with Gil Corella, who was studying with Dave Fedderly at the time, who was a student of Jacobs.

I took a couple of lessons from Lee Hipp, who studied with Ev Gilmore, David Kirk, Dennis Miller, and Don Little. That puts me in the third generation of Bill Bell, Don Harry, and Jacobs again. And I get Little and Jacobs again through the couple of lessons I took with Jay Rozen.

Sheesh. You'd think all that teaching and performing power would have yielded better results. Oh, yeah! It ain't the teacher doing the playing!

Rick "who thinks tuba pedagogy is a small, small world" Denney

Charlie Goodman · Post by **Charlie Goodman** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:23 pm

bort wrote:So you're looking for people with a "Jacobs Number" of 3.

(I'll be surprised if anyone gets that.)

Six degrees of Kevin Bacon, yo.

LoyalTubist · Post by **LoyalTubist** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:26 pm

No, the package says you have to get it hotter than that.

passion4tuba · Post by **passion4tuba** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:10 pm

Ev. Gilmore was my private lesson teacher in 6th grade..i'm trying to buy the Cerveny he played..

so i guess i would qualify as A.J's student's student's student .....

?

Anyways...wouldnt almost any tuba player in the last..uh..30 years..in some distant way be a student of Arnold Jacobs?

ContraDude · Post by **ContraDude** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:37 pm

rofl
mmm... bacon

LoyalTubist wrote:

No, the package says you have to get it hotter than that.

RyanSchultz · Post by **RyanSchultz** » Tue May 02, 2006 9:17 pm

If I'm remembering correctly Abe Torchinsky took some lessons with Mr. Jacobs when he (Mr. T) was pretty young. â€œMr. Tâ€