Interesting York Tuba

Lew · Post by **Lew** » Fri May 05, 2006 10:09 am

This looks like an interesting horn. Someone really had to force that mouthpiece though to do that to the receiver.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Early-Vintage-JW-Yo ... dZViewItem

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Fri May 05, 2006 10:21 am

Lew wrote:This looks like an interesting horn. Someone really had to force that mouthpiece though to do that to the receiver

Looks like it's still leaking a little bit, too!

quinterbourne · Post by **quinterbourne** » Fri May 05, 2006 2:58 pm

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Fri May 05, 2006 4:39 pm

Isn't that the "new" adjustable receiver that York tried out in the early days....

Bandmaster · Post by **Bandmaster** » Fri May 05, 2006 5:50 pm

Yeah Tim, this is similar to the old York 712 that my York-Master is "losely" based on. The ad says it has an 18" bell, so this might be a little smaller than the 1930's model 712 York BBb. Are there any York "experts" out there that can chime in on this? I sure hope that who ever buys it won't cut it! With 6 days left who knows how high the price will go?

Bandmaster · Post by **Bandmaster** » Sat May 06, 2006 2:25 am

harold wrote:
Bandmaster wrote:With 6 days left who knows how high the price will go?
It will go high enough until I own it. I want to own them all - every one of them.

But own so many already... don't you want to give the rest of us a chance?

Tell you what... I trade you a certain big old Lyon & Healy for it?

ArnoldGottlieb · Post by **ArnoldGottlieb** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:02 am

harold wrote:
With 6 days left who knows how high the price will go?
It will go high enough until I own it. I want to own them all - every one of them.

Cool,
At least it won't get cut.........
Harold,
Would you post a gallery for us someday? I have no interest in owning this horn or one like it, but they're sure fun to look at.
Peace.
ASG

KenS · Post by **KenS** » Tue May 09, 2006 6:53 pm

Poor Harold....

All those Yorks in his basement, but not a horn to play.

davet · Post by **davet** » Tue May 09, 2006 8:52 pm

Somebody explain this bidding strategy to me- I just don't get it.

I understand just putting in your maximum and then "walking away" from the auction. That's how I tend to bid.

I also understand sniping at the last minute.

However, there are three bidders in this auction that have kept stepping their way up the bidding tree increment by increment. This "strategy" just doesn't seem logical to me. Can anyone enlighten me?

Is it just some quirk of human nature?

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:27 pm

Most likley they're not experienced Ebay users... It doesn't make sense to "bid up" an item over a weeks time and it doesn't seem that money is an issue for these folks!

But if you've got money to burn, you too could have this horn!!!

For me, no thanks...

Tim

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:24 pm

i bet the seller is giddy with suprise at the current bid

trseaman · Post by **trseaman** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:12 am

harold wrote:They are working to get rid of the non-seriuos bidders.

Okay... I somewhat understand that statement.

harold wrote:or perhaps they are crazy as a fox.

This one is probably more accurate!

harold wrote:I may bid again to push the price up. Why? Because it makes any Yorks that I sell later much more valuable.

I have to disagree on this point because as you know not everyone is willing to pay this price. It takes a combination of factors to drive a price this high, mainly buyers willing to outbid each other. At least on Ebay...

If the last York on Ebay in lesser condition sold for $7800 and lets say you're willing to pay this much. Why wouldn't you wait until the end of the auction to place your final bid of $7800? What are the advantages of slowly bidding it up when in the end your going to bid the $7800 anyways?

Just trying to understand your thought process, which could also be complicated!!!

Tim

jacobg · Post by **jacobg** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:28 am

What is the price difference between this and an equivalent model/age/condition Conn? How about an equivalent York stencil? or any equivalent American stencil?

What do you guys think of this, from forum.trombone.org:

Steve Dillon wrote:Do you realize that the York name was really kept alive by one man.

Arnold Jacobs.

If Mr. Jacobs played something else, would we remember the York name today?

Alex C · Post by **Alex C** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:56 am

I'm not a York expert but I know one. He won't post on Tubenet because he got flamed when he posted good information once. He just doesn't put up with bad manners.

There was an article in the ITEC Journal recently, comparing an old York with a similar Conn. Using graphic analysis of the sound, he tried to show why the Yorks are considered superior. I believe that the York "mystique" would be alive today with Mr. Jacobs. Besides, he never played or owned a 4/4 York.

Bells: from what I was told, there are two bells for this model York, an 18" and a 20".

The bidding for this tuba has gotten ridiculous. For comparison, Dillon sold a BBb 6/4 for $4000 less than a year ago. If anyone makes money investing in tubas, I hope they write a book it once they've accumulated their fortune.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:41 am

jacobg wrote:What is the price difference between this and an equivalent model/age/condition Conn? How about an equivalent York stencil? or any equivalent American stencil?

Things that I've heard mentioned have included not only design, but brass composition and thickness. I have a c.1913 York built-up rotary valve circular altohorn, and the workmanship will knock your socks off. Much more complex than a Conn, or ANY stencil.

After York was bought out in 1940 by Carl Fisher, production of horns ended during WW2 so that the factory could make munitions. After the war, Carl Fisher imported horns as "York Master" that were made by B&M, which was no shoddy outfit, either.

jacobg · Post by **jacobg** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:48 am

Yes but what is the price difference, not the difference in workmanship?

It seems like for most instruments ebay prices are about 50-75% of music store prices, considering the sellers pay no rent, have no employees, the instruments must be shipped, they're bought sight unseen, and scams abound. Ocassionally for something like this York, or a NY Bach trumpet mouthpiece, etc, the price will be ABOVE what a music store would charge, something like 125-150%. I guess this is due to the phenomenon of bidding wars.

Donn · Post by **Donn** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:54 am

trseaman wrote:If the last York on Ebay in lesser condition sold for $7800 and lets say you're willing to pay this much. Why wouldn't you wait until the end of the auction to place your final bid of $7800? What are the advantages of slowly bidding it up when in the end your going to bid the $7800 anyways?

None, but these guys didn't actually have some such limit in mind beforehand. They're letting the other guy play a part in defining it. It has to be more fun in live auctions, where it all happens in a couple minutes.

Chuck(G) · Post by **Chuck(G)** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:17 pm

I once picked up a 4/4 York BB on eBay for $130 (it was listed as a "baritone"). It was a 3-banger, and I didn't think it was particularly special--actually, kind of stuffy. I traded it for a big Martin and some York Monster Eb parts and a CC valve cluster.

So if this is for a 4/4 York, what's the going price for a 6/4 York CC nowadays?

Bandmaster · Post by **Bandmaster** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:26 pm

Chuck(G) wrote:So if this is for a 4/4 York, what's the going price for a 6/4 York CC nowadays?

Well, Baltimore Brass Company has one listed on their Used Tuba page.

York 6/4 Cut CC 5v (4p+1r, 5th dependent) silverplated. Excellent tuba, with bag. $11,900.00

UDELBR · Post by **UDELBR** » Wed May 10, 2006 3:55 pm

Man, most of those cut jobs look SO wrong...

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