Carol Jantsch' debut

ubq · Post by **ubq** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:23 am

"Noteable in this performance was the rich, even-toned virtuoso playing by Principal Trombone Nitzan Haroz, backed by the powerful sound of Carol Jantsch in her debut performance as principal tuba with the orchestra. The audience applauded the 21-year-old college grad as she entered the stage. She is the first female tubist to win a spot in a major orchestra."

The Saratogian 2006

I just want to tell you that I find it very-very good that things like this happens in the USA. I couldnt imagine that here in Europe the audience would appalude for a debuting tubist in a Major orchestra. Its really great!!

Gator · Post by **Gator** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:37 am

harold wrote: If you are going to applaud someone based on their abilities to play the tuba, there are a fair number of people that would have received this honor in the past.

Harold,

Thank you!!!!!

tubagirl5 · Post by **tubagirl5** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:00 pm

They applauded her because she is a women and a tubist. Not just a woman. In any other position with the orchestra this may have not happened, as a women. Carol is the first and whether she wants to have the hype of being the first or not associated with her, she has to deal with it. She considers herself like any other player, but she has in a way broken the barrier, much like Jackie Robinson when he broke the color barrier in baseball. Personally, I have been discriminated againist in the past and for me this is very rewarding to see. This is a historical feat and the Philly public recognized that.

Lew · Post by **Lew** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:23 pm

I have never seen her feet, but they may be historical.

Good for her either way. It is good to see someone, anyone, achieve their dreams and be recognized for it.

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:43 pm

ubq wrote:"...She is the first female tubist to win a spot in a major orchestra."

Ahem! Where does that leave Connie Weldon, tuba player for the Miami Symphony, who won her position in 1960, after playing two years with the Kansas City Philharmonic. She had also been offered positions in Rio de Janeiro (while still in school) and was acting principal for the Concertgebouw.

http://iteaonline.org/Journal/32N1/32N1 ... ards.shtml

And there are more than a few folks who won gigs right out of school.

Jantsch's accomplishment is noteworthy and admirable, but not unprecedented.

Maybe the audience was applauding the orchestra for taking a risk on someone with no orchestral track record.

The paucity of professional female tuba players seems more a matter of choices females have made than a matter of external restraint, at least outside of Berlin and maybe Vienna.

Rick "thinking some journalist assumed past bias" Denney

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:39 pm

tubagirl5 wrote:...Personally, I have been discriminated againist in the past and for me this is very rewarding to see.

I've been discriminated against, too. The TubaMeisters had the outdoor entertainment gig in the German section of the Fiesta Texas theme park, and we held that position for the park's first season with a good crowd response and without requiring the administration to expend any energy on us.

But the park wanted an all-female group for the second season, so they put together a pickup brass quintet and we were out.

My only beef with them was that they strung us along instead of telling us the truth. But that is a genderless complaint.

Rick "wondering if a sousaphone is heavier than a chip" Denney

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:47 pm

MW215588 wrote:
Rick Denney wrote: The paucity of professional female tuba players seems more a matter of choices females have made than a matter of external restraint, at least outside of Berlin and maybe Vienna.
Rick "thinking some journalist assumed past bias" Denney
Hey guys.....I think Rick is right

He usually is!

TexTuba · Post by **TexTuba** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:02 pm

MW215588 wrote:Hey guys.....I think Rick is right

He IS called the 'Resident Genius'

Ralph

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:23 pm

TexTuba wrote:
MW215588 wrote:Hey guys.....I think Rick is right
He IS called the 'Resident Genius'
Ralph

Makes sense to me. And I know Ralph wouldn't lead us all astray.

porkchopsisgood · Post by **porkchopsisgood** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:46 am

I don't know about the rest of you, but until I can take her in an audition (which seems kinda unlikely now that she's got one of the better orchestras in the world....don't think she'll be auditioning for the Augusta or Richmond Symphonies anytime soon....and, oh yeah....I suck), I will be standing and clapping right along with everybody else.

You go, gurl.....

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:53 am

knuxie wrote:Not to step on Rick's comment, but when Connie won, was Miami a MAJOR orchestra then? KC? How old was Connie then? Was there any kind of reaction in the tuba community? Was there a fervor? Sorry, five years before I was born....

The point is that the fervor is partly based on the belief that Ms. Jantsch has crashed through a ceiling, when my point is that there was no ceiling.

Connie Weldon had offers from other symphonies, but she was a Floridian and Miami was close to home. Now, how many tuba players have been so good that they were able to win gigs in their home regions? The point is that any woman with the qualifications and ability was as likely to win a tuba job as, say, an oboe or viola job. Just not that many women of that ability have chosen to play the tuba.

Given Ms. Weldon's accomplishments, I have this feelling that she would have been competitive against any male tuba player of the time, whether or not Miami was a first-tier orchestra.

But, to my thinking, ANY full-time professional orchestra (which I believe Miami was in those days) is a major orchestra.

Rick "thinking even acting principal of the Concertgebouw is no walk in the park" Denney

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:09 pm

Rick Denney wrote:Rick "thinking even acting principal of the Concertgebouw is no walk in the park" Denney

I agree. We can argue about Miami; but Concertgebouw is and has always been a major orchestra.

THE TUBA · Post by **THE TUBA** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:37 pm

harold wrote: Sounds like the audience was filled with idiots to me.

I would have clapped...

It doesn't matter to me if she is or isn't the first principal tubist in a major orchestra, or the first "great" woman tubist, or whatever is being debated. She won the spot in the Philly Orchestra; if the result was different, I would still applaud the winner. What is amazing to me is that she won when she was 20!!!! She beat out tons of great tubists with more orchestral experience. That is amazing, no matter the gender.

Why not clap? The people heard her story and the significance of her appointment (she may not be the first woman tubist in a professional orchestra, but the result of the audition is still significant) and felt like she deserved applause. If I get to go see the Chicago Symphony sometime in the future, I'll probably clap when Gene Pokorny walks on stage. I just hope I don't pee myself

...

Kevin Miller · Post by **Kevin Miller** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:49 pm

It's no doubt that she is the Mia Hamm of the tuba world. Mia is famous for shedding her jersey on field(with sports bra underneath) in celebration of winning the 1999 women's World Cup soccer title.

I'm waiting for Carol Jantsch to nail the Bydlo on a big horn, rip her top off and do a lap around the Kimmel Center.

That'll boost ticket sales!!

TonyZ · Post by **TonyZ** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:04 pm

Kevin Miller wrote:It's no doubt that she is the Mia Hamm of the tuba world. Mia is famous for shedding her jersey on field(with sports bra underneath) in celebration of winning the 1999 women's World Cup soccer title.

I'm waiting for Carol Jantsch to nail the Bydlo on a big horn, rip her top off and do a lap around the Kimmel Center.

That'll boost ticket sales!!

...Sorry, but Brandi Chastaine stripped down to her Nike bra (not Mia) for her endorsement...

drow2buh · Post by **drow2buh** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:03 pm

I met Carol and heard her play at the IWBC conference this year. Not only was she an amazing player, she was also a stand-up nice girl and fun to be around. She should be congratulated by us all, regardless of her reason or why some crowd applauded. I'm kind of surprised this has become such a large post!

If I get to go see the Chicago Symphony sometime in the future, I'll probably clap when Gene Pokorny walks on stage. I just hope I don't pee myself...

Met him and heard him play at the IWBC conference as well - freakin' amazing! He's also really nice and hilarious. We asked if he wanted to go to Hooters with us after his little spiel, and he said he would but he had to go straight back to Chicago. Shucks!

Posaune2 · Post by **Posaune2** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:03 pm

What is missing from the newspaper account of Carol's debut is the circumstances surrounding her entrance. Blair Bollinger had made a little speech welcoming the audience to the concert at the beginning of the show, and in his speech he mentioned that this concert was going to be Carol's official debut as a full member of the orchestra.

She wasn't onstage at the top of the concert (William Tell Overture), so when she came onstage the audience welcomed her with a round of applause, as I am sure they would have if she had been onstage when Blair welcomed her to the orchestra.

Yes, I am sure some of the warmth of the applause was due to her gender and youth, but most of it was a natural and appropriate reaction to Blair's pre-concert speech.

Let's not make mountains out of molehills guys.

Eric Carlson

tubatooter1940 · Post by **tubatooter1940** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:22 pm

The P.C. crowd likes to emphasize her youth and femaleness but the lady can play.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:45 pm

This is a person who made an international name for themselves by playing outstandingly well, being smart, and using the opportunties they were offered.

No, I do not think it is out of place for such a player to be recognized for their accomplishments, introduction or not.

I only hope that the job proves ongoing to be worth all the effort it took to get there.

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