Finally joining the club

evan · Post by **evan** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:38 am

I'll save you the click (everyone that comes here will want to see it anyway):

This isn't a super-high res pic, but it looks great to me. My question: how would a full restoration improve on this?

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:53 pm

harold wrote:
BTW - to Rick Denney:

"The rain in Spain falls lightly on the plain."

Huh? Whatever this is a reference to has vacated my diminishing brain.

On the Holton, I don't think I need mine to look any better than that.

Rick "not very subtle today" Denney

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:02 pm

I believe the quote is, "The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain." For Rick's edification(although I doubt he needs it), it comes from My Fair Lady.

MichaelDenney · Post by **MichaelDenney** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:57 pm

Congratulations, Harold! I wish mine looked as good up close...looking good from the audience will have to do for a while.

As it happens I am taking a break at the moment from playing the Holton with a Loud LM7 and new 30H-type rim. The rim just came in the mail and feels very good. I am home alone tonight, so it will get a good run.

Have fun with your horn. Sometimes I think my favorite note is a low F at pp, then other times it is the F up in the staff where it sings like a French horn.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:57 pm

Rick Denney wrote:Huh? Whatever this is a reference to has vacated my diminishing brain.

Oberlohed = Henry Higginsed

My Fair Holton

Tubadork · Post by **Tubadork** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:58 pm

Servants Poor Professor Higgins!
Poor Professor Higgins! Night and day
He slaves away! Oh, poor Professor Higgins!
All day long On his feet; Up and down until he's numb;
Doesn't rest; Doesn't eat;
Doesn't touch a crumb! Poor Professor Higgins!
Poor Professor Higgins! On he plods Against all odds;
Oh, poor Professor Higgins! Nine p.m. Ten p.m.
On through midnight ev'ry night.
One a.m. Two a.m. Three...! Quit, Professor Higgins!
Quit, Professor Higgins! Hear our plea
Or payday we Will quit, Professor Higgins!
Ay not I, O not Ow, Pounding pounding in our brain.
Ay not I, O not Ow, Don't say "Rine," say "Rain"...
Eliza The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!
Henry By George, she's got it! By George, she's got it!
Now, once again where does it rain? Eliza On the plain!
On the plain! Henry And where's that soggy plain?
Eliza In Spain! In Spain! The three
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain! Henry
In Hartford, Hereford, and Hampshire...?
Eliza Hurricanes hardly happen.
How kind of you to let me come! Henry
Now once again, where does it rain?
Eliza On the plain! On the plain! Henry
And where's that blasted plain?
Eliza In Spain! In Spain! The three
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain!

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:10 am

I saw Sound of Music when it first came out. Being 3 or 4, it made a great impression on me. I still find myself analyzing speech patterns, grammer and syntax. My pet peeve is the corruption of the past tense of the verb get with the present tense of the verb have to make a nonsensical compound verb. "You've got..." is probably the most corrupt conflagration of verbs in the English language, as the verb have and its variants of person and tense is an intransitive verb indicating a state of being, where the verb get and its tenses is a transient, or active verb meaning to acquire, understand, or a few other actions. So, the phrase, "You've got..." is as inconsistent as night and day, oil and water, or running verses standing still, and therefore cannot be considered anything but a vulgar intensive along the same lines as the f word.

Donn · Post by **Donn** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:04 pm

iiipopes wrote:My pet peeve is the corruption of the past tense of the verb get with the present tense of the verb have to make a nonsensical compound verb. "You've got..." is probably the most corrupt conflagration of verbs in the English language, as the verb have and its variants of person and tense is an intransitive verb indicating a state of being, where the verb get and its tenses is a transient, or active verb meaning to acquire, understand, or a few other actions.

"That being said" ... (now, wasn't that infinitely more deplorable?), "You've got it" is synonymous with "You have acquired it", with two popular and acceptable usage features - contraction of "have", and "got" instead of "gotten" as a past participle. OED says the latter goes back to Middle English.

The grammatical structure is common "have" + past participle, past perfect. The only peculiarity I can think of here is that the English may overuse it, e.g., "she's got red hair" where the speaker isn't actually implying a dye job or wig.

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:00 pm

I respectfully disagree:
1) We do not speak Middle English anymore.
2) It is still a conflagration of verbs, as the phrase is used in the present tense instead of as a proper reference to past pluperfect tense.

Donn · Post by **Donn** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:57 pm

iiipopes wrote:I respectfully disagree:
1) We do not speak Middle English anymore.

But we never stopped saying "got". You got a problem with that?

2) It is still a conflagration of verbs, as the phrase is used in the present tense instead of as a proper reference to past pluperfect tense.

Past pluperfect is going far too far.

In the example from the musical, the sense really was present perfect, and it was perfectly presentable.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:11 pm

Is someone going to take a bite out of somebody's ear?

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:08 pm

harold wrote:
Huh? Whatever this is a reference to has vacated my diminishing brain.
To quote Rick Denney:

A Holton that has been Oberlohed achieves a life far grander than its humble beginnings. Holtons are blue-collar. Dan dresses them up in a tux and teaches them to say "the rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain."
Sorry about such an obtuse reference.

I must have just watched My Fair Lady before making that statement.

Rick "who can't even remember his own schtick" Denney

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:10 pm

iiipopes wrote:I saw Sound of Music when it first came out. Being 3 or 4, it made a great impression on me. I still find myself analyzing speech patterns, grammer and syntax. My pet peeve is the corruption of the past tense of the verb get with the present tense of the verb have to make a nonsensical compound verb. "You've got..." is probably the most corrupt conflagration of verbs in the English language, as the verb have and its variants of person and tense is an intransitive verb indicating a state of being, where the verb get and its tenses is a transient, or active verb meaning to acquire, understand, or a few other actions. So, the phrase, "You've got..." is as inconsistent as night and day, oil and water, or running verses standing still, and therefore cannot be considered anything but a vulgar intensive along the same lines as the f word.

It's "grammar".

Rick "FYI" Denney

Donn · Post by **Donn** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:03 pm

windshieldbug wrote:Is someone going to take a bite out of somebody's ear?

Go ahead - make my day!

TubaRay · Post by **TubaRay** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:24 pm

Rick Denney wrote:It's "grammar".
Rick "FYI" Denney

Would you be speaking of Kelsey?

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:43 pm

Donn wrote:

"Would someone from the secret service please pre-chew another bite for me?"

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:57 pm

I apologize for the spelling error that I did not catch in typing grammar.

In the private context of negotiation, knowing when not to criticize is part of discretion, which is the better part of valor. I'd rather have the inexpensive deal than be correct in my grammar and syntax, losing the deal.

But, thank you Sean, after I deal with it, I can vent it here!

As far as the USA and the UK: two great countries separated by a common language.

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:44 pm

iiipopes wrote:I apologize for the spelling error that I did not catch in typing grammar.

That was not the point of my posting. There was no need to apologize for the mistake, which is small potato(e)s in the context of the original rant.

The first rule of Internet Forum grammar correction: In correcting grammar or spelling, the poster will inevitably exhibit an even more egregious error.

It's only reasonable for people of good will (and good humor) to point these errors out. That's the only way to salvage some entertainment value out of a grammar rant.

Rick "who suffers silently at the loss of lucid language" Denney

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:23 pm

Yes, thank you. But when it does regard good English grammar and syntax, the very vehicle of transmission of all of our accumulated Western Civilization, and the loss of such, as Dylan Thomas said, and this is one subject that we can rant about:
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:13 pm

I always thought it was "Rage Against the Machine"...