Just when you thought it was safe to go on stage

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:56 am

Read this: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/classical ... sso14.html.

Wow!

lgb&dtuba · Post by **lgb&dtuba** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:28 pm

Why can't we all just get along?

Jim "That's why we drink beer" Wagner

lgb&dtuba · Post by **lgb&dtuba** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:34 pm

Mark wrote:Read this: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/classical ... sso14.html.

Wow!

Seriously, that's some pretty bad behavior from a bunch of so called professional musicians. The politics in an orchestra must be really something to behold. Nasty.

Jim Wagner

rwiegand · Post by **rwiegand** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:23 pm

See the public discussion page for a real pi**ing match related to this article. Shades of Usenet in the good old days.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/soundoff/ ... eID=288655

What a mess! Perhaps another case of local politics being so vicious because the stakes are so low.

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:05 pm

Gosh, I miss being in an orchestra!

Tubainsauga · Post by **Tubainsauga** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:29 pm

I'm curious, I don't really understand the issues with Gerard Schwarz. What are the musicians complaining about. In a few other articles there is mention of ensemble problems, but others also commented that the orchestra had never sounded better. Likewise, the issue with the Principal Horn would seem to be a symptom of a larger problem. I'm curious to know what would cause musicians to do such petty and childish things.

Steve Oberheu · Post by **Steve Oberheu** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:41 pm

Funny...I just got an e-mail yesterday with a different article on the same story.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ems15.html

It can't be good, whatever the truth is.

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:12 pm

Steve Oberheu wrote:Funny...I just got an e-mail yesterday with a different article on the same story.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ems15.html

It can't be good, whatever the truth is.

And even this, which is a bit less incendiary, doesn't explain what some of the musicians don't like about the conductor. Is he brutal with the musicians? Is he incompetent? Does he program (gasp!) modern music? Does he hit on the second violinists? "Holding them back" is a pompous and utterly uncommunicative description. Any good reporter should never have tolerated such a description without digging for details.

But I will say this: Such behavior from highly educated people is not common in professions where an uncivil person can be fired merely for being...uncivil.

Rick "hoping there is something more substantive at stake" Denney

windshieldbug · Post by **windshieldbug** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:55 pm

"So the malcontents stay in the orchestra unless they can be proven incompetent by a jury of their own peers, as well as by the conductor"

How unfair!!! (Oh, wait, isn't that the same as our trial by jury system? never mind... )

KiwiTuba · Post by **KiwiTuba** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 10:36 pm

Rick Denney wrote:
Steve Oberheu wrote:
But I will say this: Such behavior from highly educated people is not common in professions where an uncivil person can be fired merely for being...uncivil.

Rick "hoping there is something more substantive at stake" Denney

Does that explain why Alan Civil had such a long tenure?

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