F tuba

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:37 pm

no problem. You guy's mean well.

woof...........

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:00 pm

If all the info Brooke has given us is true concerning his financial independence from his parents,I would contend he is,indeed, an adult.Adulthood does not have an age requirement.If you're working and paying all your own bills,you qualify.A first f tuba does not have to be the perfect f tuba.There's a whole lot you can learn on any f tuba with at least 5 valves.If we wait til everything is perfect before we make a decision,we won't make many decisions.It is wise to seriously consider the advice of your elders,but it really is your decision.Look at whatever you buy from a resale standpoint as well.You probably will be selling it at some point and what you are able to resell it for will affect your future horn options.Good luck and let us know how it turns out...

Mike"on my 4th f tuba and still not totally sure"Mason

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:27 pm

basically.....I dont need YOU to explain to me how much of an adult or child I am. Only I really know the circumstances of my situation, and frankly you don't know **** about it.

Age = ONLY age......

An increase of age does NOT always indicate an increase or wisdom or life experience. And if you disagree, I will introduce to 40 year old examples of children.

Now, having said that...being 20 does NOT always indicate that someone is a child as well. I have gone through more life changing events in the past 5 years of my life than most people go through in 20 or 25 years of their life. I am not saying this to brag of what i've gone through...BUT I am saying this to show that I KNOW about working hard, and saving and having responsibility.

Maybe someday, if you're really interested, I could explain to you these things...then..MAYBE if you got off your "old and wise horse" you could open your eyes a little.

Yes......you are correct...I guess the horn thing is more of a want.....I do not NEED it for a job. But it is NOT your place to be questions the needs or wants of a stranger. In fact, in your "old and wise" age, I find the fact that you spend so much time here and send such large messages in such a negative manner quite childish. Or are you just the old man who shoos away the kids that recieve popcicles from the wife??

I am ALWAYS interested in advice. That is why I go here. And frankly, I do NO discard advice. But my CIRCUMSTANCES...which again..you have NO CLUE about, do not allow me to take a "trip" to buy a horn....I am not an "aspiring" professional. I would like an F tuba. I have a large CC horn and I WANT an F...I want to play solo's made for F tuba, and I LOVE the way F tuba's sound. And NO, I don't want to wait a year for it. AND I can settle for something that I may replace in the future, because who doesn't eventually replace horns?? Tuba players go through more istruments than any other players I know.

So what I have to say to you is, stop being a crabby person, and actually give advice, rather than complain. I've seen many of your "complaining" posts, and personally, I feel that they more childish than me wanting a horn now.

I WELCOME advice. But don't punish me for telling you that it doesn't fit my circumstances. If I tell you it doesn't fit, then be a pal and try to think of alternative advice ideas. There isn't only one answer.

Brooke "who is 20 but KNOWS what the real world entails" Pierson

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:30 pm

i am NOT asking anyoen to feel sorry for me...LIFE is hard....for everyone.

I am asking you not to judge someone intentions or circumstances.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:34 pm

one more.....I'm made multiple trips already this summer to other tuba stores.....and thus slightly exhausting some funds i needed...

So......enough bashing...lets PLEASE just talk some more about F (and possibly Eb) tubas.

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:41 pm

Bob1062 wrote:jones, if you don't mind yet ANOTHER question -

how is the intonation on your 653? what are the off notes, if any?

I haven't noticed any major intonation problems. The second-space C is a bit sharp, but other than that, everything else seems solid, requiring little adjustment (that I'm aware of). As a matter of fact, I recently stopped using 1+3 for my upper (top space) G, and found it quite passable to use 1+2 for the F#, 1 for the G, 2 for the Ab and open for the A in faster passages (like the VW or the Malcom Arnold) without having to lip the notes very much.

As far as volume is concerned, this little baby sounds a lot bigger than it looks to me, but YMMV. A lot of the volume capability of any horn is directly related to the player's ability to control the tone and pitch at that volume. Yes, this horn is not a gigantic F and will eventually run into "the wall" at extremely loud volumes, but I've been able to keep up pretty well with a section of BBbs and CCs without anything but favorable comments from the conductor and sectionmates. It's far more important to me to play with a full, musical, in-tune and clean sound and be part of the actual music making that is going on around me.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:49 pm

sounds good!

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:13 pm

If your main expected use is for solos,smaller size would be less of an issue.One idea would be to call the different tuba stores and ask if they have any "budget" f tubas.You'll get a little more detail on the horns that way and may even get some horns not listed on their websites.If you take looks out of the equation,you can get some really playable f's in the 2500-4k range occasionally.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:45 pm

MikeMason wrote:If your main expected use is for solos,smaller size would be less of an issue.One idea would be to call the different tuba stores and ask if they have any "budget" f tubas.You'll get a little more detail on the horns that way and may even get some horns not listed on their websites.If you take looks out of the equation,you can get some really playable f's in the 2500-4k range occasionally.

and if you've seen my cc....looks must not be an issue!

thanks!

jbeish · Post by **jbeish** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:50 pm

From the looks of it, your original post seems to suggest you may want to look at a Yamaha 621 or 822. Both are great quintet/solo horns as well as great orchestral instruments.

However, they just don't have "shimmer" in their sound for me. I've played a few and I've noticed that they're pretty consistent so if you buy before you try like what I understand you want to do, you probably can't go wrong. A member of a premier band was selling his not long ago for like $6k which is a steal for a silver plate 822F since new they're pushing $10k. Good luck.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:03 pm

thanks..

though, im not entiredly suggestion buy before I play. I wish to (and have) played many and will try to do what I can...it's just not always possible..

I've wanted to try the 621, an dhave tried the 822. I agree...lack of shimmer....but very consistant!

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:59 pm

and.........I'd like a beer.

djwesp · Post by **djwesp** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:00 pm

pierso20 wrote:i may be able to snag a besson 983. I really like the horn....and i like the idea of an Eb.....how do they fair in orchestra playing? Does it fit the "sound"?

I've never had any complaints. Then again, I've never been "stupid" about it either. I've played some CC when it merits, and some "tenor tuba" as well.

As for all this different key business. Wow. Seriously, anyone looking for commonality and all that crap, get over it. If you work your scales, work on transposition, and do the things to develop you AS A MUSICIAN (not a note reader), then it doesn't matter what key you are playing. The biggest adjustment is the way the horn feels, responds, and moves around, the rest should be gravy.

Wes "sometimes a note reader, but never proud enough about it to use it as an excuse to get a certain keyed horn" pendergrass

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:08 pm

djwesp wrote:
pierso20 wrote:i may be able to snag a besson 983. I really like the horn....and i like the idea of an Eb.....how do they fair in orchestra playing? Does it fit the "sound"?

I've never had any complaints. Then again, I've never been "stupid" about it either. I've played some CC when it merits, and some "tenor tuba" as well.

As for all this different key business. Wow. Seriously, anyone looking for commonality and all that crap, get over it. If you work your scales, work on transposition, and do the things to develop you AS A MUSICIAN (not a note reader), then it doesn't matter what key you are playing. The biggest adjustment is the way the horn feels, responds, and moves around, the rest should be gravy.

this has been a big solved...lol. I idiototically thought that, and quickly changed my mind...lol

After all, learining trumpet when I played a BBb horn wasn't really an issue...(and it's a combo of both in fingerings...haha).

Cheers

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:09 pm

Doc wrote:
pierso20 wrote:and.........I'd like a beer.
If I'm buying, it'll only be by the pint or half-liter. Ok with you? We'll have homebrew for dessert. Dig it?

Doc (noting that mere 12oz. bottles are a waste of good glass)

wouldn't have it any other way

sorry about the spat. i get kinda fired up some time....and somehow I feel you are quite the same.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:40 am

So I just reserved my name on a Cerveny CFB 635-5 (5+0) horn at Dillons. It comes in in 40 days...this'll keep me from at least prematurely buying another horn.

I FIGURED, I have to at least give this horn a try, since I've been hearing pretty much only positive things about it. (Can't hurt to see something that costs half of the other ones too).

I'll keep you all posted after I get it and let you all know how it plays.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:32 pm

i'll make sure I let everyone know and not just blow some wind...unfortunately they;re only getting one is. As matt said, "the days of having multiple instruments in stock is over..."

so we'll see.

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:48 pm

pierso20 wrote:So I just reserved my name on a Cerveny CFB 635-5 (5+0) horn at Dillons. It comes in in 40 days...this'll keep me from at least prematurely buying another horn.

I FIGURED, I have to at least give this horn a try, since I've been hearing pretty much only positive things about it. (Can't hurt to see something that costs half of the other ones too).

I'll keep you all posted after I get it and let you all know how it plays.

I think you're making a really good move. If you're interested in learning F, playing quintet and small ensemble stuff, this could be a great horn for you. If that one plays as well as the one I got, you're in for a REAL treat. Definitely keep us posted.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:23 pm

Matt Walters asked me if I needed a hard case of gig bag, and well, since this horn is WAY under my budget I may get both..haha. Who knows. Any reccomendations on a mouthpiece for it?? And I'll ask Matt also.

I'm excited to get to play it.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:54 pm

hahahaha......no...........how about bass trombone without a slide and some valves...and...not being a trombone??