New Cerveny F (Horn dorn)

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:57 pm

Thought I'd take a moment away from playing the new Cerveny F I bought to post some pics. The first photo shows it beside my 188 for reference.

Very good horn, almost haven't touched the CC in a few months, but I'm sure that will change when situations require it. Enjoy!

bort · Post by **bort** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:28 pm

Wow, it makes your 188 look like a 6/4.

Congratulations!

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:52 pm

I am SUPER excited to be getting my 653 soon........only.....20 more days or so????

thanks for posting the pics....now all we need is a sound byte???
haha

The Big Ben · Post by **The Big Ben** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:38 am

Bob1062 wrote:Cool!

now all we need is a sound byte???
while I disagree with the use of question marks instead of exclamation points , I agree with the sentiment.

My vote is for "Entrance of the Gods into Valhalla."
Or perhaps some Verdi

Give a little time, eh, what?

They're just getting acquainted...

But, yes, it is a fine looking horn and I would be looking forward to hearing how it sounds...

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:06 am

I've got some things recorded, but they aren't done at the studio yet. I'll post as soon as they're available.

Sorry, Bob. Entry of the Gods into Valhalla isn't one of the tracks . . .

I did record some Telemann and some Vaughn-Williams, though, as well as some tuba duets.

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:09 am

The horn seems to be more durable than the early 90's BBb I used to own. It seemed like all I had to do is frown when I looked at that one to dent it.

I've had a few experiences where I thought I put a little ding in it and didn't. This horn does seem light, but then again, I'm probably mentally comparing it to my 188, which isn't fair.

Overall, general "be careful with your instrument" is the level of care required.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:14 am

Very nice!

How are the valves on the Cerveny? I have heard their quality control has improved in recent years.

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:24 am

The horn has very quick, smooth valves. Mine has the miniball linkage, which I like very much. Compression is good, as is the overall quality of valve construction.

My old Cerveny BBb had a valve "problem" on the fourth valve, in that it didn't quite seat perfectly vertically within the casing. I would agree that the overall quality control has improved for Cerveny over the past 15 years or so.

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:15 pm

the elephant wrote:Did you get the time to bang around on one like mine or only on the Baby Arion 653? If you were able to play both can you make a direct comparison?

Or â€“

Can anyone here who has played the 653-5 and the 654-6 offer up direct comparative information?

Senior Elephant, unfortunately I have never played the 654-6, and have little experience with a quint valve. I can see how that could be really useful, though. I'd love to try the 654. Overall, I've played a lot of F in my day, but this little bugger is definitely a keeper by comparison.

Alex F · Post by **Alex F** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:45 am

I'm not looking for an F tuba but have seen a 4v Cerveny F posted on Steve Loeb's web-site (Yankel's warehouse a/k/a Bassesonline a/k/a Ideal Music). Steve has posted here as "greene" a few times. I've just completed a double bass deal with him and found him to be a straight up, accomdating, and very helpful guy to deal with. You also get to talk with his mom, Kate, who is also very nice to deal with.

For those who don't know, Steve's father, Jack, ran Ideal Music in NYC for about 50 years prior to his death in 2001. His widow, Kate, and Steve are selling off thousands of violins, violas (Oh my), cellos, basses, woodwinds, and brass. Most of the goods come from the former Eastern bloc countries like Czechoslovakia, East Germany and Romania. These are mostly student/intermediate instruments of good quality and the prices are hard to beat. Based on my experience, I recommend checking the inventory out.

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:03 pm

pierso20 wrote:I am SUPER excited to be getting my 653 soon........only.....20 more days or so????

thanks for posting the pics....now all we need is a sound byte???
haha

OK, so I have an MP3 of an "spur of the moment/just for fun" Sear duet I played after a studio session, I'd be glad to let people listen, tired lips and all, if I could figure out where to host the MP3. Any ideas?

The nice thing about the duet is you get to hear both ends of the middle range, and quite a bit of dynamic contrast. At least that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!!

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:15 pm

Here's where I posted it:

http://minorcrisis.net/files/Stereo_pri ... 5B1%5D.mp3

A fine tuba, to be sure. Don't know about the player, though . . .

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:22 pm

the elephant wrote:The low end sounds very good through my tiny laptop speakers. I will listen later with headphones. Generally, the pitch and low end sound great. How much time did it take you to get this thing under control? Or was there pretty much no break-in time, just point and shoot . . . so to speak . . . ?

Thanks for the kind words. I think the recording turned out a little "tubbier" than the horn sounds live, but I'm not sure what has been tweaked on the recording. For me, the tuba has been very point and shoot. The intonation is stable and predictable. The second-space C is a bit high, but I'm aware of it and manage it without much effort. The top-space g is best when played with the 4th valve, but 1 works well enough in faster passages. Typical tuba intonation quirks. Low range is very nice- easier response below low CC than many CC's I've played.

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:42 pm

I am very much drooling in anticipation of mine...I want it NOW......

Very nice playing and recording and THANKS!

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:08 pm

Bob, I haven't really needed to use false tones, but I'll give it a spin tomorrow and tell you how they work. This little bugger is a whole lot of fun to play. I'll let you know how the false tones turn out. Time for bed now. Good night.

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:36 pm

OK, so there aren't any false tones on this, but here's another "one take" track:
http://minorcrisis.net/files/Tuba_Trk_2.mp3

I'm going to check out the false tones in a minute.

BTW, I talked to my brother, the recording engineer, and he said the take is "as is," no compression, just a touch of reverb on this one and the duet, with just a smidge of high overtones reduced to give a sense of space. [/url]

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:26 pm

Bob, I just verified the existance of the false tone low Gb. It was right there with 1&2, but is a bit "thinner" in tone than the same valved note (1234&5). So I'm sure you could make it work.

Edited to change false tone fingering to 1 & 2 from 2 & 3. 1 & 2 works better for the Gb, after playing it for a while.

jonesbrass · Post by **jonesbrass** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:24 pm

pierso20 wrote:I am very much drooling in anticipation of mine...I want it NOW......

So, pierso20, have you recieved yours yet?

pierso20 · Post by **pierso20** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:32 pm

not yet. When I originally ordered it, I had to cancel it immediately after for financial reasons, but then about a month ago I ordered it again. Put a deposit and everything!

So, I don't know...I should get it quite soon. I'll of course let everyone know when.

k001k47 · Post by **k001k47** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:16 pm

Very nice horn; makes me wish I lived near Dillons

TubeNet

New Cerveny F (Horn dorn)

New Cerveny F (Horn dorn)

durability

MP3 ready - how to post?

here's a little bit of sound

Unaccompanied Telemann recording