Hold Harmless and insurance for TubaChristmas?

[Alex C]

I know the TubaChristmas here charges a minimal fee...

...the amount that stayed with the local promoter would not buy an insurance policy even if there were no other expenses, unless you have several hundred attendees.

Maybe it's not representative to use the DFW TubaChristmas as a model. I don't think Steve has another job (at least no one has ever actually seen him working) so I think that he must make enough money on this alone to pay all of the expenses and live the good life.

Those of you that know Steve can now pick yourself up off the floor and stop laughing.

Insurance for this event is a problem and a waste of resources. Like EKOLB said, find another venue that doesn't require the insurance.

[tubapress]

Bill is right on. Contact Harvey Phillips. He's seen it all and I know he will have an answer for you!

Gary

Has any of you contacted the Harvey Phillips Foundation and asked them how this is handled by other venues? I don't think your situation is unique.

When I was doing consulting, I had to carry insurance against a variety of possible injuries and, when I ran motorcycle rallies, I was also required to carry such insurance. In both cases it was really pretty inexpensive ($200) for the insurance. It is not expensive because it is not a general policy but a policy for a specific venue. But you may find the HPF has a suggestion about how to handle such a request from your venue.

[dwaskew]

I replied to the original poster and the initial problem is probably solved. The reality is, we're running into problem after problem after problem with performing in pretty much any non-traditional venue. Increasingly malls, schools, churches, you name it are requiring any non-employee groups, performers, etc. to come up with this type of insurance. HPF Inc. realized this several years ago, and changed their policies accordingly. Having hosted TC events for 16 years now, there was a shift in how this was handled. There used to be a "rebate" per performer system, that was dropped, due to the need for HPF to carry this very type of insurance. I didn't need to deal with it for several years, but the past 2-3, I've had to show proof of this type of insurance (at the same venue we've been at for 14 years of my 16 hosting). I emailed HPF, they faxed the proof of insurance, no problems since.

let this thread die, now, folks.

[brianf]

is it accurate to say that "the Foundation" probably doesn't give a **** about liability, and only exists to glean a few bucks from the toobah xmas phrase, with minimal effort and cost to HP and his minions?

Yes, Dennis has asked for this thread to die, and it should but . . .

EXCUSE ME! Nailing the Harvey Phillips Foundation - THE person who has done more to promote the tuba and, more importantly, get composers to write music for the tuba. Where would we be if Harvey Phillips did not develop relationships with these composers? How about reaching into his pocket and commissioning new works? That is a part of the Harvey Phillips Foundation along with TubaChristmas. These things cost money, charging $5 a head for TubaChristmas is nothing!

Now let's drop this!

[LoyalTubist]

I agree with the previous post.

In 2000, I tried to have one of the groups I was in charge of play a Christmas concert at a shopping mall in Riverside, California (only one was around then, so it's not hard to guess which one, as there are two).

They said they were no longer having groups come in to play such concerts (professional, amateur, school, or church) because of an incident that happened the previous year in which a woman fell off a stage during a performance. Not one mall in my immediate area would sponsor anything like that, despite that the accident took place in the San Francisco Bay area.

[Barney]

EXCUSE ME! Nailing the Harvey Phillips Foundation - THE person who has done more to promote the tuba and, more importantly, get composers to write music for the tuba. Where would we be if Harvey Phillips did not develop relationships with these composers? How about reaching into his pocket and commissioning new works? That is a part of the Harvey Phillips Foundation along with TubaChristmas. These things cost money, charging $5 a head for TubaChristmas is nothing!

Now let's drop this!

Threads die when they're ready to die, whether someone (besides Sean, of course) attempts to bully them or not.

No one was asking to "nail" the Harvey Phillips Foundation. They were simply stating, and correctly I believe, that the Foundation could insure ALL of the sanctioned TubaChristmas® events more economically than leaving it to each organizer. That doesn't mean the organizer wouldn't chip in, it just means the organizer would just chip in LESS. Looking for ways to make costs feasible are critical if we want these events to continue. And if the Harvey Phillips Foundation has the foresight to continue to lead the way, everyone benefits. Excuse ME.

[brianf]

Liability insurance is not something you make public.
How does anyone know that they are not doing this already?