A euphonium like I've never seen.

[ufoneum]

For $12,000 it better play itself.... or at least tune itself...

[windshieldbug]

For $12,000 it better play itself.... or at least tune itself...

With an original Helleberg mouthpiece, it should compose it's own music!

[OldsRecording]

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/toro_e.html

This one looks like the result of an unholy union between a Strad and a Manhasset music stand. Some of the other trumpets look even scarier.

[tubafatness]

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Davinci_e.html

This one literally made me a little sick to my stomach, just from looking at it...

[KarlMarx]

http://www.inderbinen.com/Page_e/Davinci_e.html

This one literally made me a little sick to my stomach, just from looking at it...
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"Music should not be normal, well-bred, with its tie all neat."
Gyorgy Ligeti

Despite the icing on it: Are you supposed to eat it?

What would Ligeti's approach be to such non-standard inventiveness in a field closely related to music?

[Mojo workin']

Karl,

If that is your real name, please ignore this post. If not, what would make you choose KarlMarx as a name on this forum?
In case you were not informed, the Berlin Wall fell in the year 1989, ending the era of Soviet repression/opression constructed by one of the most hideous notions of equality known as communism, which of course was authored by the infamous Karl Marx. Without casting judgement, we are all interested to know who and what motivates a tuba player who reveres Karl Marx?

Phil Taylor

[Art Hovey]

I painted my helcon black 40 years ago and it still looks better than that paint job! Is imitation still the sincerest form of flattery?

[TubaBobH]

Looking at both the prices and the physical appearance of some of these instruments, the old adage "there's a sucker born every minute" keeps popping into my head.

[Mojo workin']

Mojo,

if that it your real name, pleas ignore this post. If not, what would make you choose Mojo Workin' on this forum? In case you were not informed Mojo is a joke from the movie Austin Powers, which was released in the year 1997, ending the era of SNL movies being anywhere close to good, constructed by some of the most hideous teeth known as British, which of course was authored by the infamous Lorne Michaels. Without casting judgement, we are all interested to know who and what motivates a tuba player who reveres Mike Meyers?

Are you Karl's boyfriend?

Correction: Mojo is a term that is of African-American
origin utilized in classic blues artists' songs referring to one's libido.

Don't you feel like the idiot, now?

Parody is not your forte. Neither is the English language.

[LoyalTubist]

It's Mike MYERS.

And the respondent doesn't know anything about Texas high school football.

Ever hear of Odessa High School or see the movie, "Friday Night Lights"?

[Highams]

I gave this a good looking over on the trade stands at the National Finals at the RAH 2 years ago, Glyn Williams of Fodens was raving about it (tho' nothings happened since) and brought it back from the German trade show.

CB

[KarlMarx]

Karl,

If that is your real name, please ignore this post. If not, what would make you choose KarlMarx as a name on this forum?
In case you were not informed, the Berlin Wall fell in the year 1989, ending the era of Soviet repression/opression constructed by one of the most hideous notions of equality known as communism, which of course was authored by the infamous Karl Marx. Without casting judgement, we are all interested to know who and what motivates a tuba player who reveres Karl Marx?

Phil Taylor

Thanks for the great history and politology lesson so closely related to the original topic of this thread.

How would I have known. I never was in Germany until 1947. Only lived there for a decade+. Only had one confrontation with the VoPo, where I was not the one jumping backwards in fear (I was not even armed).

If you knew your TubeNet history, you would know why certain screen names are obvious.

As for the original thread:

I am sure this maker invests a lot of work and invention in his instruments. Some of his ideas may be of lasting importance.

Decorative arts always have been applied in instrument making. I respect the craftsmanship, but I am not going to pay for features not directly related to musical playing qualities.

Yet I dared pointing towards the discrepancy between quoting a pretty avant-garde composer and feeling sick about advanced instrument making.

Phil, doing these tailored mothering jobs you might have preferred Goldwater, Reagan, or Bush butterflying around.

Carolus non Accommodarius

[LoyalTubist]

Your name doesn't bother me. When I was stationed in West Berlin with the 298th Army Band, one of the main shopping streets of West Berlin was, in fact, Karl Marx Strasse.

I imagine some people here think me to be a Communist, too.

[OldsRecording]

Karl,

If that is your real name, please ignore this post. If not, what would make you choose KarlMarx as a name on this forum?
In case you were not informed, the Berlin Wall fell in the year 1989, ending the era of Soviet repression/opression constructed by one of the most hideous notions of equality known as communism, which of course was authored by the infamous Karl Marx. Without casting judgement, we are all interested to know who and what motivates a tuba player who reveres Karl Marx?

Phil Taylor

Easy, Phil. I could go into a dissertation about how Marx had nothing to do with Soviet-style Communism, and how Marxism (on paper, at least) is a perfect form of government that suffered from the fatal flaw of any government, that it is put into practice by actual human beings (who unfortunately , like to be better than other human beings), but I won't. I mean, if he used the moniker 'JosefStalin' or 'VladimirIlyichUlianov' (better known to the world as 'Lenin') or even 'CheGuevarra' (the Bolivian guerilla leader) that would be disturbing, but there's no need to pick on ol' Marxie for a political theory.

[Mojo workin']

Marx had nothing to do with Soviet-style Communism

?

Please explain.

[windshieldbug]

Marx had nothing to do with Soviet-style Communism

?

Please explain.

Groucho.

[OldsRecording]

Marx had nothing to do with Soviet-style Communism

?

Please explain.

I know there is a tendancy to lump Marxism, Socialism and Soviet-Style Comunism all together into one basket, but there is a big difference. You see, the Soviet system bore very little resemblance to Marx's original concept. Stalin had a feet of Rolls-Royces, for God's sake. Far from being Marx's workers' paradise, the Soviet Union became a bloated burocracy where those with clout became rich and powerful and those without were every bit as poor and downtrodden as they had been under the Czar. If Marx had witnessed this, his reaction would have been something like: .

[BopEuph]

I know there is a tendancy to lump Marxism, Socialism and Soviet-Style Comunism all together into one basket, but there is a big difference. You see, the Soviet system bore very little resemblance to Marx's original concept. Stalin had a feet of Rolls-Royces, for God's sake. Far from being Marx's workers' paradise, the Soviet Union became a bloated burocracy where those with clout became rich and powerful and those without were every bit as poor and downtrodden as they had been under the Czar. If Marx had witnessed this, his reaction would have been something like: .

At least there are SOME of us Americans out there who at least know something about Marx. I was wondering if anyone was going to defend Marx over the mistaken identity most Americans give him. Why is he so ill-favored? Because the Soviet Union was using communism, and they were our enemy. Why is the notion of equality hideous? Many societies are trying to come up with the fairest way to give equal rights to everybody (read the Declaration of Independence). USSR and China have just molded it more into an efficient way to control their people.

Besides, even though this isn't in the off-topic forum, I don't think Mr. Chisham would appreciate us discussing politics.

Back on the subject (I really wish more topics really would stay on topic on Tubenet), I saw this horn a while back. It looks like the slides don't pull out. Maybe they are just the flush. I'd like to try one out, and see if the horn and I become one, like the description of it says, and see how unbelievable it really is. It better make a believer out of me, if they want me to pay that much money for a euphonium!

Nick

[OldsRecording]

I know there is a tendancy to lump Marxism, Socialism and Soviet-Style Comunism all together into one basket, but there is a big difference. You see, the Soviet system bore very little resemblance to Marx's original concept. Stalin had a feet of Rolls-Royces, for God's sake. Far from being Marx's workers' paradise, the Soviet Union became a bloated burocracy where those with clout became rich and powerful and those without were every bit as poor and downtrodden as they had been under the Czar. If Marx had witnessed this, his reaction would have been something like: .

At least there are SOME of us Americans out there who at least know something about Marx. I was wondering if anyone was going to defend Marx over the mistaken identity most Americans give him. Why is he so ill-favored? Because the Soviet Union was using communism, and they were our enemy. Why is the notion of equality hideous? Many societies are trying to come up with the fairest way to give equal rights to everybody (read the Declaration of Independence). USSR and China have just molded it more into an efficient way to control their people.

Besides, even though this isn't in the off-topic forum, I don't think Mr. Chisham would appreciate us discussing politics.

Back on the subject (I really wish more topics really would stay on topic on Tubenet), I saw this horn a while back. It looks like the slides don't pull out. Maybe they are just the flush. I'd like to try one out, and see if the horn and I become one, like the description of it says, and see how unbelievable it really is. It better make a believer out of me, if they want me to pay that much money for a euphonium!

Nick

Oh, alright. Although I dig discussing Marx and The Worker's Control of the Means of Production, this is not the place for it. I do have a theory about how 'The Little Engine that Could' is an allegory for socialism, but that's neither here nor there.

[windshieldbug]

OK, time for food in this thread!...