helleberg questions

ArnoldGottlieb · Post by **ArnoldGottlieb** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:34 am

Okay, so i'm playing a kellyberg and I'm looking for opinions on helleberg mpcs.
I like the articulation compared to my pt48 but the intonation is not what I'm used to. Any suggestions for a great helleberg mpc.
Thanks.
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TexTuba · Post by **TexTuba** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:47 am

brianggilbert · Post by **brianggilbert** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:56 pm

I play on the R&S Helleberg II (I think the model is TUHHII), and even though it's goofy looking as all get out, it really has helped my clarity and focus of sound. I'm not certain that the results would be THAT much different than a traditional Helleberg (mine corresponds to the 7B), but I'd like to think the extra mass helps darken my tone and center my sound a bit more.

I think over the years the trends have been back and forth - heavy to extremely light pieces, nylon rims...who really knows? I guess you have to play a bunch and find the one you sound best on (bring your teacher or a trusted set of ears with you).

Tubanese · Post by **Tubanese** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:40 pm

Have you tried "Canadian Brass/Arnold Jacobs"? I believe this is a copy of one of Mr.Jacobs' Helleberg MPs.
This used to be mine main MP until I got the G&W Baer MP.

J.c. Sherman · Post by **J.c. Sherman** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:12 pm

I just bought a Faxx Helleburg, just to try it out. It's great - helleburg feel, but with a more comfotable Bach-style rim and the extra mass of a Bach-style blank. I'm gonna keep working with it, but my initial impression is that it's a fabulous value!

J.c.S.

The Jackson · Post by **The Jackson** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:15 pm

Can someone give me the inner rim diameter of a Faxx Berg? The shank size would be helpful, too

RRW · Post by **RRW** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:29 pm

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Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:48 pm

The Jackson wrote:Can someone give me the inner rim diameter of a Faxx Berg? The shank size would be helpful, too

32.50mm I.D., standard shank. It looks like a Bach 18 on the outside, but all of the internal measurements are very close to a standard Conn Helleberg.

The Jackson · Post by **The Jackson** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:08 pm

Tubaryan12 wrote:
The Jackson wrote:Can someone give me the inner rim diameter of a Faxx Berg? The shank size would be helpful, too
32.50mm I.D., standard shank. It looks like a Bach 18 on the outside, but all of the internal measurements are very close to a standard Conn Helleberg.

Ah, thank you! I might see this piece in my future come time to march again.

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:16 pm

It looks like a Bach 18 on the outside, but all of the internal measurements are very close to a standard Conn Helleberg.

Even though rim width and internal dimensions seem close to the Conn, I get a livelier, fuller tone out of the Faxx. Something about it, but don't know what it is.

J.c. Sherman · Post by **J.c. Sherman** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:24 am

Both feel and fit to me like a Bach 12.

J.c.S.

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:52 pm

SplatterTone wrote:
It looks like a Bach 18 on the outside, but all of the internal measurements are very close to a standard Conn Helleberg.
Even though rim width and internal dimensions seem close to the Conn, I get a livelier, fuller tone out of the Faxx. Something about it, but don't know what it is.

it's the extra mass.

iiipopes · Post by **iiipopes** » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:26 pm

Curry makes a Helleberg in your choice of cup diameters.

ken k · Post by **ken k** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:06 am

I have been fooling around with a few different mouthpieces lately but I keep coming back to my plain Jane Conn Helleberg.

I had a Sidey SSH, which is a beautiful piece but is a bit larger than the Conn and the larger size and rim contour seemed to effect my endurance, so I went back home. Just got a SS Kellyberg. It seems to be a bit tighter than my Conn, which surprised me because my plastic kellyberg does not feel smaller. So if you want a SS Kelly mine will be for sale.

I have the R&S TUHHII heavyweight, which is larger than the Conn also. This thing is so heavy that i feel it makes my horn (Eb Boosey & Hawkes Imperial, which already is a tank) too dark and the artix too covered. Great low range though, like butter.

So i know there are many Helleberg type mouthpieces out there by Finn, Perantucci and Laskey and others, but why not try a Conn as a starting point to compare them all to. For around $50 (or cheaper used here on tubenet, which is where I bought mine) you can get a quality piece. I sort of feel like it is one of those standard mouthpeices everyone should have in their arsenal. I have a few that I loan out to students to try, when I feel their embouchures are developed enough to handle them.

ken k

The Jackson · Post by **The Jackson** » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:22 am

I think the 120S is the step-up mouthpiece, if not the best first piece. I'd only give a physically small player something like a 24AW simply because their mouthpiece is smaller.

The 120S gave me great direction in where I wanted in a mouthpiece. It was a great step forward, but not the best once I tried others [namely my old teacher's PT-48].

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