1291 5/4 or 4/4

KevinBock · Post by **KevinBock** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:39 pm

It doesn't matter, honestly don't worry about it.

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:49 pm

Are you asking about the BBb silver version or the CC lacquered version...??

Consider the rabble as being roused.

What about a lacquered BBb? A silver plated CC? what about one with gold accents? Will it make me play better?

Chuck

Tubaryan12 · Post by **Tubaryan12** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:06 pm

TubaJoe92 wrote:........ I want to know the truth is the 1291 a 5/4 or 4/4.

You can't handle the truth!

The Jackson · Post by **The Jackson** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:10 pm

Because I have a 191's bell in my ear every week at community band rehearsal, I can definitely vouch that, no matter what size it is, it has a big 5/4 sound. My Yam 641 is a peashooter next to it.

Chuck Jackson · Post by **Chuck Jackson** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:11 am

bloke "who suggests that these percentages can be precisely inversely determined by just how far ( in meters Ã— 10 ) The Big Ben can effectively toss any given model"

Oh, sure, bring science into it, that'll help. What, are you new here?

Chuck"who's only science class in kolledj was titled, no lie, 'Rocks for Jocks' "Jackson

MikeMason · Post by **MikeMason** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:52 am

Actually,i think we've stumbled on something here.Cubic inch displacement is the real measure of how big a horn is.Bell and bore are way inadequate.On a real BAT,baby's got BACK.

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:02 am

FWIW, one of the guys at Trevecca has a 1292. My Kalison, which could be considered a big 5/4 or small 6/4, dwarfs it. He is not taking lessons right now, but if I can get the two horns together I will do a side-by-side pic. I owned a 190 for many years. THAT was a true 5/4 Miraphfone.

The Big Ben · Post by **The Big Ben** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:19 am

bloke wrote: bloke "who suggests that these percentages can be precisely inversely determined by just how far ( in meters Ã— 10 ) The Big Ben can effectively toss any given model"

Announcement: I will be doing horn testing at Blokestock. If you would like your horn tested, please bring it. When I am sufficiently full of BBQ, beer and single malt scotch, I will precisely inversely determine your horn's percentages. There will be no fee for these services.

Thank you.

Jeff "With the ability and precision to determine that a Conn 20J is actually a 3/4 horn" Benedict

The Big Ben · Post by **The Big Ben** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:29 pm

Greg wrote:
The Big Ben wrote:
bloke wrote: bloke "who suggests that these percentages can be precisely inversely determined by just how far ( in meters Ã— 10 ) The Big Ben can effectively toss any given model"
Announcement: I will be doing horn testing at Blokestock. If you would like your horn tested, please bring it. When I am sufficiently full of BBQ, beer and single malt scotch, I will precisely inversely determine your horn's percentages. There will be no fee for these services.

Thank you.

Jeff "With the ability and precision to determine that a Conn 20J is actually a 3/4 horn" Benedict
Will this also include a free water displacement measurement...

For no extra charge, I will do that sort of testing at the same time. However, you will have to fetch your horn out of the swamp yourself. I do not go in the water until two hours after eating and I do not intend to stop eating.

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:46 pm

More importantly: Is it Klingon or Vulcan?

SplatterTone · Post by **SplatterTone** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:03 pm

Ooooooh. Getting esoteric, are we?
OK: size = pi/e

(pi over e = 1.15572735)

OldsRecording · Post by **OldsRecording** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:52 am

tuben wrote:Let's just agree it is a 9/7 size tuba....

RC - Proud Member of the Tubenet Rabble
(who contends his Alex is a 9/7 that plays like a 11/7 but his MW is a 5/5 that plays like a 11/9)

Actually, since it's a German horn, shouldn't that be in metric?

tubatooter1940 · Post by **tubatooter1940** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:11 pm

Obviously tubajoe92 needs to fill his tuba up with water. Failing to empty the water key would take too long. Immersion in the lake would work.
Down here in Alabama, we are not that persnickety. Any horn of size is simply referred to as a "big ole tuber".

Steve Inman · Post by **Steve Inman** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:15 pm

I'll bite ...

Regarding the 1292 that I played yesterday, it is probably around a 9/8 or Pi/e sized tuba. That probably makes a 1291 a 9.5/8 size horn. But it depends on the 4/4 and the 5/4 tubas you use for comparison.

How about:

186/188/2145/52-6J/etc = 4/4 = "1"
1291/2 = 5/4 = 1.25x
"Thor" = 5.5/4 = 1.375x
"Baer" = 5.75/4 = 1.44x
"Neptune" / 2165 / Holtons = 6/4 = 1.5x
Yamaha 826 / CSO York / Yorkbrunners -- 6.5/4?

Since I've never played any horns in the final category, I have no idea if that's correct. And we'll get as many assessments for these size numbers as we have members on this board, I suspect.

My point is that the numbering system offers a little help, but is not definitive. Go see, play, compare the horns and listen to the sound. Decide which one sounds bigger/smaller to you. Pick the one that fits your needs.

Cheers,

Rick Denney · Post by **Rick Denney** » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:58 pm

TubaJoe92 wrote:I hear many different things and I want to know the truth is the 1291 a 5/4 or 4/4.

Yes.

Rick "sure that it is not a 3/4 or a 6/4" Denney

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