Baer Production/Handmade Model

[Kory101]

Can someone tell me what they found were the obvious differences between the two if any? And yes I did a search on this and couldn't find the answer I was looking for. Thanks very much!

[Maurice]

I spent a little time with both the morning I picked out my Thor. The handmade horn seemed to respond just a little bit quicker. Other than that I can't say I noticed much of difference between the two. Had I been in the market to spend that much money on that day I think I would have saved $4000 and taken the production horn. However, I spent very little time with each instrument.....

[Maurice]

I agree, the production horn I played seemed to be very good, as I said on that day it would have probably been the one I would have bought had I been intested. I am just as sure that there are some not very good (relatively speaking) handmade 6450's floating around.....

[Kory101]

Can someone tell me what features of either the Production or Handmade that instantly jumped out when you tried the horn?

[anonymous4]

If this wasn't done, each HM might be wildly different from the next.

Is this why there is so much difference among individual Nirschl 6/4 copies?

[Roger Lewis]

I've played rather a few of these and there is a rather unique difference in my personal findings. I played them for a friend of mine who knows my playing quite well.

The handmade model plays easier and has a little more high frequencies in the sound. It is very responsive with a strong low register with plenty of meat to the sound - somewhat crispy. This is a good thing as it helps the tuba voice stand clear of the trombones a little, and from the basses a bit as well and this means you don't have to work as hard to get the sound to the cheap seats. They both have a great scale and are easy to play and will balance even the strongest of trombone sections.

The production model has more low frequencies in the sound and gives you a bit more strength from the middle of the staff to about the low A or G a few leger lines down. You can get it to sound like the handmade model, but it is more work and this was commented on by listening buddy. Mouthpiece selection would be something to examine as not all people have the same preferences (or lips).

Both are great instruments for the big hall - especially if it is an acoustically unfriendly environment for the lower instruments. Great sound, ease of play and excellent scale.

Just my observations.

Roger

[bttmbow]

I bought a production model. It costs approximately $4000.00 less than the handmade, and it plays better than almost anything that I can find, except some horns that I can't PRY AWAY from their owners...

but more importantly, these horns play more "friendly" than MANY 6/4 horns, much more like a smaller horn. The sound is bigger, but the response is more like a 4/4.

I would recommend the handmade, if you have the bread, as they are a bit more "snappy/responsive" in the low end than the production models, but I am happy with my production model.

more later,
CJH

[Kory101]

Well, it's been a few months since this topic has been touched. Im wondering if anyone else has opinions on both versions of this horn?

[tubashaman2]

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