Businesses and Individuals, watch out for this guy

[imperialbari]

I like that eyepatch!

Where can one buy pre-made embouchures mounted that way?

Klaus

[Alex C]

The reason I have brought this into the open is that I have had several buisnesses find me and contact me about what this guy has done to them.

Best thing to do is contact the D.A. and press charges. Nice to let us know but there are a lot of other outlets where this guy can work his scam and he will continue until he hears the jail door slam.

[Donn]

They dealt with it in a different manner...by quietly spreading the word person to person.

Did you happen to ask whether, in your position, they would share that phone conversation in a post to TubeNet?

If you can figure out why you did that, that might give you a useful perspective on the reactions you see here. You had a refreshing conversation, you enjoyed the rest of the day ... and then you returned to TubeNet, to give those nasty children a piece of Principal Tubist's mind. Welcome back to the asylum! I'm not complaining, everyone loves a flame fest, just don't pretend you're above it all.

[dord04]

It was a Principal Tubist in a major orchestra that I like to think of as a mentor. They told me they had read this thread on the Tubenet and that they also had been ripped off by the individual in question but they would never post these facts in a public forum like this. They dealt with it in a different manner...by quietly spreading the word person to person.

Well, that's good and all, but this is the 21st century and Jared can go and rip off someone anywhere in the nation. Maybe you and this other tubist are a famous enough guy that anything you say will resonate around the world...but with my modest influence in the low brass world I cannot reach everyone by word of mouth...I just thought everyone should be aware...Maybe you don't care about it unless it happens to you or someone you know, but I do.

To the children here...please ignore my posts. I doubt you will find anything interesting in them as they are generally well thought out and congenial. To the party who suggested I not post on this subject...I will post on any subject I wish. Someday, if you have any class at all, you will realize you were out of line with your comments.

You obviously have every right to post here and disagree with whatever you want. Honestly I couldn't care less if you think I did the right thing, because i KNOW I did the right thing. I've had several responses to this with people that have dealt with this guy and either got ripped off or had an extremely bad experience. This guy has got to be stopped. If anyone has a POSITIVE experience with Jared I would be more than happy to hear it.

From what I've heard he has left the tuba/euphonium world and playing trombone full time now, so maybe we will hear nothing more in these forums.

Best thing to do is contact the D.A. and press charges. Nice to let us know but there are a lot of other outlets where this guy can work his scam and he will continue until he hears the jail door slam.

Hey Alex, hope everything is going well for ya. I am trying, maybe it's just because I'm not law savvy, but it's more difficult than it seems with this guy constantly changing phone numbers and giving me false or old addresses.

Hell, why don't you send some MPs in a Humvee over to this guys house? No one likes to see the men in green with guns and a big truck pull up on their front lawn. Seems to me if we can send 140,000 troops (after the surge) to Iraq we can get 2 guys in a Humvee to pick up a horn. You should talk to your batallion S2 and see if they can hook you up with someone in Military Intelligence. They could at least make this guy's life miserable... in a fun kind of way. Remember kids, revenge is best served cold.

If only it were that easy.

[Rick Denney]

Wade, I hope you'll take this with the respect that is intended and that you know I hold for you. A large percentage of what you have written in this thread was unnecessary and probably caused more argument rather than less. What little hand-wringing Adam has brought up was politely done and did not need the heated response. The heat has just escalated the situation to the point where only damage is possible. Save the armor-piercing rounds for the armor-plated enemies. Everyone else, just back away. We are all friends here.

Since Mr. Riley is not in the business of selling or servicing tubas, the claims of Mr. Ord do not damage his ability to do so, let alone unfairly. Someone selling a tuba to Mr. Riley can still do so, and Mr. Riley can still buy a tuba, with complete safety. But the prudent seller, having seen this thread and consequently exercised due diligence, will want to see cash up front. Again, I see no damages there. This is not the sort of situation I and those few who have agreed with my position publicly normally wring our hands about. My past complaints concern seeking redress against a someone who provides sales or service, using the threat of public excoriation on Tubenet to coerce or manipulate a favorable response, whether or not it's consistent with the truth. Not the case here.

Despite the appeal of sending the Brute Squad to restore justice the old-fashioned way, I think we could do without those comments. Those could be construed as threatening and not as the jokes they are probably intended to be. Let the authorities enforce the law, and everyone else exercise prudence.

Once before, a law officer came on Tubenet asking for evidence of wrongdoing by a Tubenet member. The post was not initially taken at face value by a rightly skeptical Tubenet membership, and the officer had to establish his bona fides. Once that was done, there was no more hand-wringing and he got the information he sought. Mr. Ord has established his bona fides.

Rick "thinking the benefit of the doubt can only be bestowed, not demanded" Denney

[iiipopes]

Rick "thinking the benefit of the doubt can only be bestowed, not demanded" Denney

Well, to respectfully disagree it is both: developed over the centuries and bestowed by common law on all of us, and there to be demanded by any particular person accused that it be observed and followed at trial. See,"Beyond Reasonable Doubt" and "Probable Cause," Historical Perspectives on the Anglo-American Law of Evidence, by Barbara J. Shapiro, University of California Press, © 1991 The Regents of the University of California.

[EdFirth]

I don't think that being a player in a MAJOR SYMPHONY consitutes omnipitence in these matters. It means you are a teriffic player. Nothing more. And for being so busy with ALL of his many GIGS, including RIGALETTO Mr Peck certainly finds alot of time to try to educate everyone in the the proper way to deal with a theif. His approach could work , quietly spreading the word person to person behind the scenes and hoping the legal system will do the right thing . In the meantime this guy is most certainly still up to the same thing . Mabye they will get him on tax evasion , it worked with Capone . I admire Mr Peck's faith in the judicial system and his discretionary approach to exposing the slimebag's name on this forum . But if it happened to me or a close friend I would handle it personally . I don't subscribe to the contact law enforcement and become an ostrich approach . If you walked out of one of your many rehearsals or concerts on your way to another rehearsal or concert and found somone stealing your F tuba from your car would you get a good look at them , Politely ask them to put your horn back , then call the police on your cellphone after they flip you the bird ? Or would you grab your horn from him and beat his *** into the ground , then let the cops sort it out ? No disrespect for the former but I'd probably persue the second option with great vigor . Everybody has their own ways of daeling with situations . Being a busy little tuba player and having friends in major symphonies doesn't make a person right in their approach . If more people handled this kind of in a hands on manner it wouldn't happen nearly as often. But everyone is entitled to their opinion Without lectures from on high . Ed

[Dean]

Does this matter all that much?


So, Mr. Peck disagrees.

So what? He stated his opinion, and I read it. It did not change my opinion. For me, that was the beginning and end of it. Why drag this along??

As far as Jared, his name is now branded into my memory. Hopefully, I never encounter it again. If I do, I will be happy I have read this thread!

[Rick Denney]

Rick "thinking the benefit of the doubt can only be bestowed, not demanded" Denney

Well, to respectfully disagree it is both: developed over the centuries and bestowed by common law on all of us, and there to be demanded by any particular person accused that it be observed and followed at trial.

I'll take this little matter of semantics only one step: The fact that the benefit of the doubt had to be developed in common law and then codified is evidence that it can only be bestowed. In is the law that is doing the bestowing, as you rightly say. But I won't argue whether those barons who forced the king to sign the Magna Carta (and other early instruments of the rule of law) were demanding or bestowing. One can demand the right of way, but might get a bent fender in the process.

In any case, I was not referring to the presumed innocence of the alleged perpetrator. I was referring to the comments concerning the hand-wringers, who haven't shown much sign of hand-wringing until goaded into it by too strong a preemptive strike. Now that most have decided this case is okay to go public about, they are piling on to the one person who did (mildly) wring his hands, and I find that indefensible. The hand-wringing keeps us honest, folks.

Rick "who disagreed with Adam in this one case but who found nothing elitist or arrogant about his argument" Denney

[J.c. Sherman]

Okay... 2 cents here...

First, if I was confident I had a) been screwed and stolen from and b) knew saying so wasn't going to be grounds for libel or slander, I'd shout from the hills... If only to have someone listen, and hopefully to wreck the life of the smarmy scofflaw who took my stuff. My choice.

Second, Mr. Peck, calling people and posters "children" and "childish" is perhaps the most insulting a "flaming" language on this whole thread. It exacerbates the argument into the personal and lowbrow.

Let's all calm down... We each have an opinion... and opinions are like...

All that said, why isn't this guy behind bars yet? Sounds like we have grand theft and mail fraud and a few other charges, multiplied by several individuals including "Major Symphony Player" and others. What the $%@# is going on. Inquiring minds want to know. Any updates?

J.c.S.

[Matt G]

Is it too late to pencil in Ed Firth on the presidential ballot?

[The Big Ben]

I don't know how it works in the US, but if you have a phone number can't you get an address?

Maybe. It's possible to get an anonymous phone number with a 'throw away' cell phone. You pay about $20 cash at a convenience store and then refill it with phone cards which are also bought with cash. Would someone get one of these and then publicize the number? Maybe, maybe not.

I wonder how active the police have been in this matter. A tuba is an expensive instrument and is up there in felony territory. Also, credit card companies are interested in such things, too.

Checked into this thread this morning because of the title. Saw Mr. Peck's postings. Different day, same Peck.

[Donn]

Checked into this thread this morning because of the title. Saw Mr. Peck's postings. Different day, same Peck.

Back in November I was curious enough about this to review the whole body of Mr. Peck's Tubenet contributions, and I wish mine were as consistently polite, on-topic and generous. I thought he was way off base here, and likewise in the other thread you're probably thinking of, but I guess that just goes to show how easy it is to go wrong when you think you need to correct someone's wrong behavior here.

[Dan Schultz]

This is the first I've seen this thread.....

Were you napping or on vacation?

[Donn]

I try my best to express my thoughts responsibly and not stoop to name calling. I'd welcome any P.M.'s explaining where I went wrong. Perhaps I should just ignore the bullying and not make an issue of it. I'll have to give that some thought.

I'm sorry I lost your respect, Donn. I do try very hard to be helpful here to anyone asking for such help. Perhaps you will be kind enough to get in touch with me and tell me how I could have better handled the situation.

See, I get what I deserve.

You didn't lose my respect. Like I said, you're more than entitled to that respect based on your record of posts here.

I also hold Ben in some esteem, based not only on his Tubenet persona but also on previous on-line contributions (if I'm right - if he's the same guy, I guess it should be no surprise if he traded the largest of photographic instruments for the largest of brass instruments), but my post was actually intended as a mild dig at him, because in very much the same way I think his post there wasn't really representative of his good stuff.

But of course now I've jumped in, and someone reviewing my posts at a later date (as if anyone would care) will wonder "why did he get mixed up in this?" Especially when he ... uh ... sort of presents himself as being above the fray. Oh well. Anyway, yes, I think we could all strive a little harder to get along, and we're more effective from that posture anyway. This is a social/technical environment, and we have only these skills to survive by here - technical (specifically about the tuba) and social. When this is a great place, it's because we have the good technical skills and we exercise our best and subtlest on-line social skills in the direction of a harmonious and productive community. I can't send anyone a PM describing how to do that, I can't even say for sure when it's happening and when it isn't. It probably does mean speaking out against something that's wrong, it probably does mean some serious arguments once in a while, I'm just saying that even then, succeed or fail at a social level because that's where we are.

[The Big Ben]

All I ask is that they leave my name out of their online thoughts.

Whatever. Done.

[imperialbari]

Jemand hat Pech gehabt!

[The Big Ben]

Lets see 4750 registered users...2 responses like that...predictable. Remember, even if you were to delete all your posts they will live on in the quote feature and elsewhere for a long time. I never post something I will be ashamed of years from now. A small few of us should keep that in mind.

Since you won't accept P.M.s from me and have chosen to take our differences public, I have but one thing to do:

Go sit in the corner, birch myself throughly and then go to bed without my dinner. I have been shamed.

Jeff "I am such a vulgar worm" Benedict

[Dan Schultz]

This is the first I've seen this thread.....

Were you napping or on vacation?

I've been gone for a few months... ...helping a friend fish his metal storage building out of the Ohio River.