Gregson Orchestral Score

[theanalogkid]

Hey guys,

I've got an audition coming up pretty soon at my school for our annual concerto/aria concert. I'm hoping to audition with the Gregson (1st mvt). However, the need the score at the audition to determine if the orchestra can handle it. The orchestra is still rebuilding so we dare not throw too much at it too soon... whatever. Anyway, I'm just having the hardest time finding the Orchestral Score for the piece anywhere! So anyone know where or how to get it?!

A million thanks,
aaron

[hendra_tuba]

Unfortunately, you may be out of luck in terms of purchasing a full score of the Orchestral edition. You can purchase scores and parts for the Wind Band edition and the Brass Band edition.

The piece is published by Novello, and is distributed in the US by G. Schirmer.
http://www.schirmer.com/default.aspx?ta ... wse_2872=G" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

It appears that Novello/Schirmer will only rent the Orchestral edition . As mentioned above, they will sell the Brass and Wind Band editions.

You can rent a persual score of the orchestral version from them here:
http://www.schirmer.com/Default.aspx?tabId=2540" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Best of Luck


T.Hendra

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Okay, I also ask this because I am very interested in whether the Tubenet was the only place you are looking for information on this subject, and whether you are satisfied enough with this (perfectly acceptable and accurate, as far as I can tell) answer that you won't seek any further input on the subject, except for what may transpire in this thread.

I'm just having the hardest time finding the Orchestral Score for the piece anywhere!

Am I being grumpy?

Yep. Grumpy people often overlook details that answer the question they choose to gripe about. It's clear that the OP has tried to find the score "everywhere" and has now turned to TubeNet (a reasonable idea, considering the high probability that some here have played the piece in question with an orchestra). But the point in general is certainly acknowledged and understood loud and clear.

To the OP: I checked WorldCat.org for you, and don't find the orchestral score anywhere in the WorldCat database. The tuba and band score is widely available, as is the tuba and piano edition and even tuba and brass band.

Hendra is correct...your only solution to get a hard copy of the score is to contact Schirmer for a perusal score. You don't have to rent a perusal score, but the down-side is that it takes a while to get to you and it sounds like you don't have the 2-4 weeks to wait. Chalk up the lesson learned and next time plan ahead.

most of the college libraries I know of do have a copy of the orchestral score.

No, they don't. You probably saw the tuba and band score...many college libraries do have that one (although OSU doesn't even have that or any edition of this piece). Unless, of course, you know of college libraries that aren't on the WorldCat database but are large enough to keep a rather obscure tuba concerto orchestral score in their stacks. If WorldCat and I are mistaken, please name any of the multiple libraries you know of that have this score so the OP can use Interlibrary Loan to get it. Unfortunately, there's a bit of a time-factor problem there, as well.

[theanalogkid]

Ha, I hadn't checked back here since I got my response to my original post, so I'll go ahead and try to answer/respond to people's inquires...

hendra_tuba, thanks for the tip! I figured if I did post here, someone would have an idea, so thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

tubahead,
1. Yes I am in a school, a music school, and we do have a library.
2. I do have a teacher.

Part of me wants to be insulted, as I would figure people to read this post to have assumed I've taken the steps you listed. But I'm not . The fact of the matter is I attend a relatively small, private university. So as you could imagine, my pickings are rather slim. I did also check with my teacher (an obvious first stop), and he said that he knew I'd have to rent it, but just not sure from where. That's why I decided to post here. As far as the disqualification is concerned, the need of the score at the audition is to prevent them from saying "Yes you can play the concerto" and then having to say "Wait this looks too hard, so you're out". I do hope these are satisfactory responses.

Todd, thanks for the tip as well. Yeah the whole time factor is a bit of a mess. It was made known to us that any version of the score would work for the audition before school let out for christmas break. When we got back, that's when they said we need the orchestral one know. Unfortunately I'm really the only one left out in the dark, as everyone else has seemed to have success at even the local music store. Oh well.

Jay, thanks for the story!


OKAY, well I think I answered everything. Thanks again to everyone for your input!!
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Aaron

[tubashaman2]

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[Todd S. Malicoate]

Seems to exist...

Yes, it exists. Just not in college libraries or for sale. Emailing the folks in the YouTube video won't help since they don't own it. Perhaps you missed this post?

It appears that Novello/Schirmer will only rent the Orchestral edition.

[tubashaman2]

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[Todd S. Malicoate]

This requirement seems to be common to university concerto competitions...at least the ones I've been involved with. Methinks part of the deal is not only ensuring that the piece "isn't too hard," but also that the score isn't an expensive rental that the department would rather not have to shell out the bucks for (i.e. the Gregson).

I watched your links, and I can't tell if the viola part is particularly hard, or if there is four-part divisi in the celli (requiring, perhaps, more players than the orchestra in question has available?). For evaluation, there is simply no substitute for having the score in front of you. I suppose the question of whether or not a video of a performance meets the entry requirements is up to the conductor. Others reading this thread who wish to enter similar competitions in the future should take heed and talk to the university orchestra conductor at the beginning of the term about what is/isn't a good choice for their competition.

Fortunately for the students here, OSU has a very liberal policy regarding this competition (when I was an undergraduate, they still had the "approve before auditioning" policy). Last year, a senior trombonist won the competition with the Rouse concerto. It is, in a nutshell, way too hard for almost any college orchestra, so they allowed that trombone student to perform a different piece with the orchestra. This year, another trombonist won with the Sachse bass trombone concerto. We recently discovered that there is no orchestral accompaniment available for this concerto...anywhere. I have therefore arranged one, and I hope it gets published and sells (rents?) like wildfire.

Just curious, James...what exactly was I "WRONG" about? Your inattention to the thread, perhaps?

[tubashaman2]

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[Todd S. Malicoate]

Again, I will stress that part (perhaps even most) of the reason for requiring the students to submit a full score before auditioning is to help "weed out" those pieces that would be difficult for the orchestra to obtain.

Also, as with any audition, the rules must be followed with absolute precision. It's unfortunate to the OP that the rules were changed "on the fly" from any score being acceptable (I have no idea why a piano score would tell the conductor anything about the orchestration) to a full orchestral score being required. That's why I stress to future competitors that they address this issue early in the school year.

James, your idea about submitting a video recording of the piece is a good one, and is helpful advice. If the conductor accepts it, then good for everyone involved. To the OP...it's certainly worth a try if you are committed to the Gregson at this point and don't have a back-up concerto ready to go.

And, James, please don't lecture to me about conducting skills. I had my fill of it in graduate school, thanks. You are fantastically naive when you say:

A good orchestra conductor can look at a reduced score, know the range of the instruments and follow the part

Yes, if you have a reduced score and not a piano reduction. Reduced scores usually include instrument names to help the conductor see what's going on...piano scores usually do not. But, ultimately it's up to Aaron's conductor and whether he wishes to go to that trouble of "figuring it out." Aaron did say the score must be presented at the audition, not approved beforehand...do you propose he bring a collection of laptops for the judges???