Best or Favorite RECITAL Horn?

[k001k47]

Depends...
What's my recital repertoire?

Music. All of it. Solo.

Well if I had to play solo liturature AND maybe have to throw an orchestral excerpt or two in there, I'd get me a newerMW 2141 (I hear the old ones had pretty bad intonation). Great horn: awesome sound in all ranges. I've only played it in elephant rooms; owning one is more than likely not as great as I think it is.

OR
I'd use a YCB 621 if it was easier on the hands. Perhaps the 3/4 weril CC solves this... but I've never played one, so I can't say.

I swear, if Yamaha would just make a 621 Eb or an 821 or 822 Eb... An 822 Eb might mean I never play another instrument as long as I live... bit of an exaggeration, sure, but what a horn that could be!

Those of you who pull off the thumb ring on your Yamahas...what do you all pull against? I would think it would inflict tendonitis in mere seconds from the leverage on your forearm!

J.c.

I owned one without a thumbring... I forgot where I would place my thumb.

[The Jackson]

Without my thumb ring, I feel like a part of my soul is missing...

[Kevin Hendrick]

I swear, if Yamaha would just make a 621 Eb or an 821 or 822 Eb... An 822 Eb might mean I never play another instrument as long as I live... bit of an exaggeration, sure, but what a horn that could be!

... or perhaps a front-action variant of the 632 compensator (a YEB-633? ).

[The Jackson]

Has anyone ever heard of someone turning a Bb/C 621 (cutting) or F 621 (adding) into an Eb 621?

[J.c. Sherman]

Has anyone ever heard of someone turning a Bb/C 621 (cutting) or F 621 (adding) into an Eb 621?

I think about cutting a YCB-621 to Eb almost every day. The only reason I haven't is that I'm not sure my brain coult play two horns with nearly identical weight and posture and use 2 different fingering systems! Why Yamaha makes it in every other key except Eb is a mystery to me...

J.c.S.

[Kevin Hendrick]

Has anyone ever heard of someone turning a Bb/C 621 (cutting) or F 621 (adding) into an Eb 621?

I think about cutting a YCB-621 to Eb almost every day. The only reason I haven't is that I'm not sure my brain coult play two horns with nearly identical weight and posture and use 2 different fingering systems! Why Yamaha makes it in every other key except Eb is a mystery to me...

J.c.S.

It has been to me, as well, for quite some time. Seems like lengthening the F would be least expensive and easiest -- longer main tuning slide (probably with a loop in it for the extra length) and longer valve slides (if needed) -- and you'd have the 5th valve too, which *might* be useful ... On the other hand, that approach might play hob with the intonation -- hard to know without actually doing it.

[rocksanddirt]

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Those of you who pull off the thumb ring on your Yamahas...what do you all pull against? I would think it would inflict tendonitis in mere seconds from the leverage on your forearm!

J.c.

It's hard not to, but one shouldn't pull against the thumb ring when playing anyway. On a piston horn, it means you are not pushing straight down on the valves (causes additional wear, ease of sticking). On a rotory horn, it's less important, but the valve action doesn't take much force, but does put you in the habit of supporting the horn with the right hand, which will effect the smoothness of some playing combinations.

[bobn]

I play a YEB321 Eb with a fifth valve added many years ago by Ron Partch in Toronto.

It is a great quintet horn and for solos, but I wish that the ergonomics were better. I often wish the valves were on the front.

Cutting a 621 down might be the answer!

Bob

[k001k47]

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Also, I never pull against the thumb ring. I use it as a balance point only and really do not use it save for when I turn pages, again, as a balance point so that I do not drop the horn. I do not even have a thumb ring on my Big *** Holton! My thumb just sits on the valve platen like on the other four.

Wade

Wade,
I like your 621...




trade for the Harmonia?

[Alex C]

I'm sure I'm touching on another (older) topic...but what is the main difference between an older 186 and a newer 186?

Main physical difference is the bell flare.

According to the Miraphone Guru the older 186's also had a very different leadpipe. I don't remember that he said the mouthpiece receiver was any different but the leadpipe is.

[bisontuba]

HI-
Also on the very early Mirafones, the valve cluster is set 'higher' than later ones, and of course, the old ones have 'better metal/brass'--and 'the sound'...the pre 1965 horns are like a smaller version in sound characteristics of an old 163 Alex...among some of the differences...
Regards-
mark
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[MartyNeilan]

One of of my instruments (a 5V rotary), I devised a bar (approx. 3/8" diameter) on which I rest the palm of my hand. This proved to be far superior to a thumb ring.

The Bloke Brace!
Probably only takes a couple of minutes to machine.
You should make a splashy website and sell them for a few hundred! (installation extra)

[Wyvern]

For me it has got to be a tuba that is agile, has a good high register, a nice tone colour to its sound and some guts down low. A small CC might do the job, but would make harder work than necessary, while an F would not have the low register guts - so would have to be an Eb.

Without hesitation I would use my Melton 2040/5 Eb as a dedicated recital tuba.

[MartyNeilan]

One of of my instruments (a 5V rotary), I devised a bar (approx. 3/8" diameter) on which I rest the palm of my hand. This proved to be far superior to a thumb ring.

The Bloke Brace!
Probably only takes a couple of minutes to machine.
You should make a splashy website and sell them for a few hundred! (installation extra)

I have made a very annoying animated Gif to get you started on this new business venture:

[tubashaman2]

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[tubashaman2]

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[bububassboner]

Best or Favorite RECITAL Horn? Hmm...

If I need to use a CC tuba I would go with either a Getzen G50 or my Nirschl CC. Both horns are very agile. Both have great intonation. And both are fun to play.

For an F either the firebird or this...
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I don't think I will ever find a better solo horn than this. Ease of playing like the little Yamaha F yet a very brilliant sound. I know down the road if I want a horn like this I'll be kicking myself in the butt for selling it.

[k001k47]

And as mentioned earlier, it is a YFB-621-U, with the U being the alphanumeric designator for "ugly" (as your Harmonia is a CFB-654-6-U…

I love Ferree's Cold Strip Lacquer Remover! No more brothel brass! heh, heh, heh…

If I could order any horn straight from the factory in the (blahblahblah)-U finish, I would.
I like ugly horns???

Anywho... If you're serious about that, I'll get back to you when I get the money for my future CC (or MAYBE BBb)

[UTSAtuba]

I'm sure I'm touching on another (older) topic...but what is the main difference between an older 186 and a newer 186?

Main physical difference is the bell flare.

According to the Miraphone Guru the older 186's also had a very different leadpipe. I don't remember that he said the mouthpiece receiver was any different but the leadpipe is.

I went back to read the Mirafone Catalog that I posted (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31628&start=0&hilit ... ne+catalog" target="_blank), and found that the more "technical" differences are that the bore was .778" compared to .772" , the bell was 16 1/2 in. compared to 17 1/2 in (Matthew mentioned that), and what is also mentioned later about metal quality. The leadpipe also does not come down at much of an angle when the horn is placed bell down as compared to newer horns (I think).

Joseph

[eupher61]

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Piggy. A good one. A Helleberg style thing should work well, but I went to a PT something. Never should have sold that horn. Change bigger to smaller mouthpiece for color differences.