YFB 822--A Solo horn?

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tubashaman2 wrote:Todd, I do not have a single recording of my F on acidplanet, and I meant tone quality wise, I have not perfected anything, my undergrad stuff is not perfect, and yours was not to Bobo level, otherwise you would be a pro tubist now.
Strawman.
Why do we release CDs. Why did Carol, Zerkel, Ben Pierce, Joe Skillen release CDs? For profit, or sharing their intrepretations. Baadsvik might make a little money on his CDs but not much, but people will listen, and it will either help or hurt your name on tuba, mainly help.
A lot of folks release CDs, commission works, etc as part of the academic process. I'm sure you're familiar with tenure and the process to receive it. Publish or perish. CDs are "publishing".
The people who say I sound like Bobo TONE WISE are tubists.......a couple of them being professionals on tuba saying my tone resembles his.
Sometimes you have to take things at face value.
Todd, not to chew you out, I know you are being realistic, but honestly do you think that in my generation there will be pro tubists teaching college, recording, playing in major Orchestras, from people around my age. People say it is getting more competitive, and more younger people are playing tuba, so eventually there will be more jobs if the economy will improve, and you can't shoot down my dream. I honestly can't see a university having 15 tuba/euph majors with 10 trombone majors with no fulltime low brass professor.
I am unclear what your point is in this conjecture. Are you citing the growing field of academic positions? Or referencing professionals who have to sustain multiple streams of revenue?
Todd, before you chew out my recordings, will you please post recent recordings of you doing:

Plog 3 miniatures
Kraft Encounters 2
and the Casterede Sonatina, or any of the literature I did.

I know you say we struggle with such, but it seemed to me you were chewing me out and saying I was pretty bad, instead of saying performers in general, so you have any recordings for us
I don't know Todd from my elbow, but I know he has been referenced in the old TUBA journal and has played in the Disney AACB. He has played along side guys like Mike Roylance. I have a feeling he has a better general idea of what it's like being a professional musician than you do, just because of his record. While his ability to knock out those pieces now might not be at your level, that doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to listen to your recordings and identify some weaknesses in your playing. He was far from chewing you out, but your record with him in this medium already has you on the defensive. I think if you met a guy like Todd in real life, he'd be happy to buy you a beer and give you some excellent advice from a different perspective.

Also, you can't call people out for not seeking to be professional tuba players. Todd didn't and many of us also passed on that path. I can guarantee that there are a lot of players who are not "pros" who could have in the past and possibly in the present hand you your hat in regards to playing. Not an insult. Some folks just don't want to be musicians as a career. But that doesn't mean they aren't kick *** players. And even if they aren't now, they still may have achieved a very high level of playing at one point in their life. Would you ask Warren Deck to play excerpts to "prove" his ability to critique your playing?
An new F won't be a toy....
Just don't strap yourself with additional debt before you even know what you'll be doing in grad school. Play what you've got. Make that 180 earn enough income to buy your next F. If you can do that, then you'll really be ready to judge what F will be best for you in the future.
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Hmmm. "Online" but not on Tubenet.

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bubbacox wrote:He's the Borat of TubeNet!

I like! It's-a verry nice!
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Look what y'all have done. You didn't give him the answer he was looking for and now he's taken his ball and going somewhere else to play....for now.

James, you are at the point where you really need to start thinking for yourself. At some point you have to become your own teacher. Instead of asking if it's a good solo horn, why don't you find one and play some solos on it? Do not say that you can't. You are close to a city that has more tuba players than it knows what to do with.

If you haven't gotten "it" by now, you sadly never will. Stop using this BBS as a crutch for your ignorance.
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James, if you think my last post was "chewing you out," I weep for your future in a graduate school studio as a performance major. Wow.

Yeah, acidplanet was a bad example. I heard your video you posted somewhere of the first movement of Vaughan Williams playing your F. Didn't remind me of Bobo, but it would certainly be difficult to make a judgment based on that short excerpt on a small microphone. I'll apologize for doubting you and cede your point that your tone on the 180 is "Bobo-like," since I don't have any real evidence to refute it. Again, if that sort of tone isn't your cup of tea, take steps to change it. It won't require $X,000 dollars worth of new tuba to do it.

I have never tried to "shoot down your dream." I encourage you to pursue it. I am, however, confused as to what your goals are. You have moved around from wanting to be a university professor to a pro player to a solo artist. Perhaps you wish to do all three, and I say go for it! Just don't be under the illusion that your solo CD will make any profit in the real world, whether you "give the people what they want" or not. In any case, buying a new model of tuba isn't the key to your dream...again, I've "been there, done that."

I'm sorry that I don't have any current recordings to submit to you, and I don't have any plans to record any. Perhaps I can dig out some recordings I made while in school and find a way to convert them to a digital format if you'd care to hear them. I do have a few credentials (some of which Matthew presented) and reached a reasonably high level of playing which I continue to maintain, but you are correct...I'm no Roger Bobo.

Matthew also offered some very good advice which I have attempted to give you as well...don't get yourself in additional debt in graduate school! I was sorely tempted to buy new equipment through loans when I started graduate school, thinking that a better instrument would make me a better player. It wouldn't have. I am extremely thankful that I didn't discover the realities of the professional tuba job market while saddled with thousands of dollars in tuba debt.

I also had a "well-paying" assistantship when I started graduate school, but it was quite demanding on my time and basically annihilated my ability to work unless I was willing to sacrifice practice time (which I wasn't). It's extremely stressful, and it caused me some major problems in my first graduate school experience when I was basically overwhelmed with financial worry. That may not happen to you, but I've always felt it important to try and let you know how difficult it can be financially to be a "struggling graduate student" on an assistantship.

Yes, I was embarrassed to be a graduate-level tuba major who didn't own his own instrument, but I was able to make do quite well with school equipment. I made a huge mistake in an audition for one of the DC bands when I convinced myself I could not win with the school horn I was using and borrowed a horn at the site from one of the band's players (thanks again for that, Karl). To this day I believe I would have done much better on the "lesser-quality" instrument that I was very familiar with than an unfamiliar "top-name" horn on which I simply couldn't find the center of some notes. Looking back, it makes no sense to me at all...I was able to win a mock military band audition competition with that school horn among some very fine players. I will paraphrase Bloke and implore you not to be a "gigless wanabee" who thinks his equipment is somehow holding him back.

I only offer that advice because I have seen many players wrecked financially by excessive loans who are unable to easily afford the payments after school. Take that advice for what it's worth (no pun intended), and feel free to dismiss it if you wish.
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bubbacox wrote:
Todd S. Malicoate wrote: ... Bobo ... had true virtuosic command of the tuba
"has"
Not to be anal, but didn't he retire from the tuba years ago?
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bubbacox wrote:
Todd S. Malicoate wrote: ... Bobo ... had true virtuosic command of the tuba
"has"
Perhaps you are unaware that Mr. Bobo stopped playing in 2001. That was my reason for the past tense. Sorry if it caused you offense.
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bubbacox wrote:I'm well aware. That doesn't mean he doesn't still have it.
That's a very good point. I stand corrected.
bubbacox wrote:He's not dead, that's all I'm saying.
And for that, I'm sure we're all very grateful. What a treasure trove there is to learn from that man!
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After having read this rather "interesting" (in the Chinese sense) thread I can with the certitude of 68+ years of existence reaffirm the aphorism: "Youth is wasted on the young!" ... Very enjoyable all around. :)
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I wish I had a James tone.
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k001k47 wrote:I wish I had a James tone.
Yes.
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Shoot I wish I could get some tuba money wherever James is getting it -- I wouldn't mind getting any tuba right now.
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My favorite part of this thread? The number of times I get to see this:

This post was made by tubashaman2 who is currently on your ignore list.

I love the "Foe" setting. :)
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kingrob76 wrote:My favorite part of this thread? The number of times I get to see this:

This post was made by tubashaman2 who is currently on your ignore list.

I love the "Foe" setting. :)
Yes, it is indeed wonderful to see a faux post...ha...ha.... :wink: ...............ha?
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Yes, absolutely. I use mine for all solo playing, high orchestral stuff, and some quintet.
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Is he gonna leave and come back as tubashaman3?

James, if you're out there, buy something and try it. If you don't like it, sell it. Stay with in your means and make a recoverable investment and you'll be better for the wear. Just do it!
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