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Postby imperialbari » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:31 pm

45+ years ago I played a march named Wellington in a Danish brass band. I don’t think it was by Alford, but it is hard to find because the key words turn up what must be about political rallies in the NZ capital.

Information and links are welcome.

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Re: Wellington March: Composer?

Postby scottw » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:42 pm

imperialbari wrote:45+ years ago I played a march named Wellington in a Danish brass band. I don’t think it was by Alford, but it is hard to find because the key words turn up what must be about political rallies in the NZ capital.

Information and links are welcome.

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I know this doesn't answer your question as to who wrote it, but you may want to check under "Duke of Wellington's March". Here is a snippet recording of it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001 ... 95-1861828
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Re: Wellington March: Composer?

Postby montre8 » Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:40 pm

Klaus,

Though sounding very British to my ears, it was written by Zehle Wilhelm

A very good march that was played often in the US by advanced high school bands and colleges in the mid 1950's. For no good reason it seems to be rarely played these days.

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Re: Wellington March: Composer?

Postby imperialbari » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:33 am

montre8 wrote:Klaus,

Though sounding very British to my ears, it was written by Zehle Wilhelm

A very good march that was played often in the US by advanced high school bands and colleges in the mid 1950's. For no good reason it seems to be rarely played these days.

Cheers,

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Your information led me to this page:

http://marchdb.net/composers/show/3/

Everything there is new to me, but then I have a platform for further searches. Thank you!

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Re: Wellington March: Composer?

Postby imperialbari » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:56 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Zo0v5Ujm0

Is the only YouTube entry I found. Of course a bit too complex for that band.

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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby imperialbari » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:55 pm

Since this old thread I have encountered several video versions of this fine march, enjoying them very much.

I very much love reading scores and/or forming mental scores from reading parts. I haven’t found neither parts nor scores for this march being available for downloading on the web. If TubeNetters more knowledgeable than me know about such address, I would be pleased to know about it.

The version for military band would come closest to Zehle’s original score, but if possible I also would like to see the brass band version, which has at least 4 unique parts: Eb cornet, Eb solo Saxhorn, plus 1st & 2nd baritones.

Some brass band parts differ from the military set by being in treble clef rather than in bass clef or in Eb rather than in F. As I read both either will do.

Thanks!

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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby Wyvern » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:29 pm

Here is the military band Bombardon part. One of the bands I play with has it in their march backer and I do play it occasionally. It is a nice march, although not particularly exciting for the tuba.

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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby Dan Schultz » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:44 pm

Klaus... assuming you have the same email address as a few years back... I just sent you a .pdf of "Wellington March". Seems like it's public domain.
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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby knarfman » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:48 pm

The Band Music PDF Library at https://www.bandmusicpdf.org contains parts for several marches by Zehle, including Wellington.
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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby imperialbari » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:17 pm

Thanks a lot for the fast help!

Tried the Band Music Library, but searching for Zehle came out empty. Searching for Wellington only pointed to an older march by a different composer. I don’t know whether this library has regional filters reflection variations in copyright laws.

The first strain has a funny rhythm in horns and euphonium, which could be described as a fast tango. The Trio has counter-fanfares reminding of German marches, where they were often played on Eb cavalry trumpets. Not possible here, as the Trio is in Db,

So the catching elements of this march may be its melodies and its harmonies.

It is 55 or 56 years since I played it myself, on 1st horn in a brass band. There are some figurations that I seem to remember from the Solo horn part, that I haven’t found in the parts sent to me by Dan. The key to that puzzle may be that I have a a full military band set minus Flute, Piccolo, and 4th horn. Flute parts often end up with the Eb cornet in brass bands and are sometimes doubled in the Solo horn.

The tuba part seems to have G as its lowest note, a trait I also have seen in German marches. I would have expected parts intended for BBb tubas at least going down to F.

Again: Thanks for the help!

Klaus

Edit: Taking the key signature into account tells the lowest tuba note being Gb, not G natural.
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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby knarfman » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:03 pm

The download link for Wellington is https://www.bandmusicpdf.org/bmpdf/W/We ... nMarch.pdf
The link for the Zehle search results is https://www.bandmusicpdf.org/catalogsea ... t/?q=zehle

The Wellington set at the link is also missing the parts you mention. The other Zehle marches listed are "Trafalgar", "Viscount Nelson", and "Army and Marine".

If those links don't work for you, let us know and presumably we can send you stuff.
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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby imperialbari » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:20 pm

Thanks!

The direct link for the parts worked fine. Appears being the same set that Dan sent me.

The link for the Zehle search gave the same empty result as my own search.

I tried to attach screen-shots of the searches, but they were too big, even if I had cropped them.

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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby roughrider » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:29 am

This march was played at the spring concert of the Saskatoon Concert Band Auxiliary on Sunday, June 4th 2017 at Grace Westminster Church in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada. It was very well received by our audience. Zehle also wrote another march that is a favourite of mine and that is entitled "Viscount Nelson", at least the appropriated English version anyway!
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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby Wyvern » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:30 am

imperialbari wrote:Thanks!

The direct link for the parts worked fine. Appears being the same set that Dan sent me.

The link for the Zehle search gave the same empty result as my own search.

I tried to attach screen-shots of the searches, but they were too big, even if I had cropped them.

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I get an empty search result too. So must be something to do with copyright in Europe
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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby ppalan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:48 pm

Maybe this is why there's a problem with finding it free in Europe:
http://www.boosey.com/shop/product_detail?id=2055985
Here's how I found it on bandmusicpdf.org
https://www.bandmusicpdf.org/catalogsearch/result/?q=Wellington
It was the 2nd item listed after Col. Wellington's March
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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby imperialbari » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:48 pm

(Attachment removed because it was too wide and made the lines too long).

Footer from the bass drum part, which is the same as for all the other parts.

Boosey & Hawkes wasn’t formed until after 1930, so the printing wasn’t done in 1906.

That year was when Zehle won the composition competition sponsored by Hawkes. As I have understod such competitions, the winning composers transfers the copyright to the sponsoring editor in exchange for the prize. Which then implies that the copyright doesn’t run 70 years from the death of the composer, but 70 years from the year of the transfer of copyright,

So this march should be in the public domain in Europe.

It would help my understanding of the structure of the march, if I got access to the Flute, Piccolo, and Eb Clarinet parts from the military set and/or the Eb Cornet and Eb Solo Saxhorn parts from the brass band set.

I also would like to see the 4th horn part from the military set (if it ever was there) and the baritone parts from the brass band set.

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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby ppalan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:34 pm

I'm also interested in the parts you've mentioned. My community band would love to perform this march.
if I got access to the Flute, Piccolo, and Eb Clarinet parts from the military set and/or the Eb Cornet and Eb Solo Saxhorn


the bandmusicpdf site says it's version is coplete as published and does not have those parts. Perhaps the were added at a later date. The parts, especially flute/piccolo parts are clearly heard here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzczBEf3zaU so maybe someone from a British military band added them. I don't know if they are in the version sold Boosey & Hawkes as there is no useful info aside from price about the march on their site.
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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby imperialbari » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:08 pm

I liked that link for the Marine Band studio version, because the Flute flourishe that I remember from those many years back are very audible in the 1st and 3rd strains, which are the same.

I am just about sure that the Flute/PIccolo/Eb Clarinet parts were there originally, because it would make no sense to issue marching sets that would leave players in the standard band line-up idling.

Even the formerly big British Household Guard’s bands of 50 or so players marching in 6 columns and 8 rows now are marching 5 abreast in 7 rows. Euphs and basses were 3 each and are now 2 each. Horns are down to 3, and as far as I can see there are no Eb clarinets. For visual reasons (front row) there are 5 trombones, which is kind of overkill considering the cuts mentioned.

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Re: Wellington March: Composer? - Online parts?

Postby lost » Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:58 pm

I'll admit sometimes I don't listen to music linked in threads but after seeing this thread bumped a lot I finally gave in. I love the melodic writing in this march! It's sousa-esque in the treatment of the various strains. Thanks for sharing.
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