Schillbrunner vs Schilliphone - anyone actually play BOTH?

[MartyNeilan]

There have recently been some positive reviews on both the "Schillbrunner" larger Schiller 4 rotor HB copy, and the 5 rotor CC which appears to be a copy of the Miraphone 186 (which I now dub the Schilliphone.) Anyone ever have the opportunity to play both of these horns? Unfortunately, there are none anywhere near me to try and recommend, and I doubt I will take a cross country trip to try a horn just to offer a recommendation. I would be very curious as to back-to-back comparisons, BBb vs CC notwithstanding. Is the Schillbrunner too "HB vanilla" sounding? Does the Schilliphone exhibit way too much 186 edginess prematurely? Is either too "tight" blowing in the low range, or too "spread" up top?

These seem like they may be good for the less than serious student who has an aversion to used horns, and I want to be able to offer options within every budget to someone who craves the shine.

Thanks,
Marty

[pierso20]

There have recently been some positive reviews on both the "Schillbrunner" larger Schiller 4 rotor HB copy, and the 5 rotor CC which appears to be a copy of the Miraphone 186 (which I now dub the Schilliphone.) Anyone ever have the opportunity to play both of these horns? Unfortunately, there are none anywhere near me to try and recommend, and I doubt I will take a cross country trip to try a horn just to offer a recommendation. I would be very curious as to back-to-back comparisons, BBb vs CC notwithstanding. Is the Schillbrunner too "HB vanilla" sounding? Does the Schilliphone exhibit way too much 186 edginess prematurely? Is either too "tight" blowing in the low range, or too "spread" up top?

These seem like they may be good for the less than serious student who has an aversion to used horns, and I want to be able to offer options within every budget to someone who craves the shine.

Thanks,
Marty

I had thought a tubenet member purchased what you dub a Schilliphone. Somewhere on here is a thread.

[MartyNeilan]

There have recently been some positive reviews on both the "Schillbrunner" larger Schiller 4 rotor HB copy, and the 5 rotor CC which appears to be a copy of the Miraphone 186 (which I now dub the Schilliphone.) Anyone ever have the opportunity to play both of these horns? Unfortunately, there are none anywhere near me to try and recommend, and I doubt I will take a cross country trip to try a horn just to offer a recommendation. I would be very curious as to back-to-back comparisons, BBb vs CC notwithstanding. Is the Schillbrunner too "HB vanilla" sounding? Does the Schilliphone exhibit way too much 186 edginess prematurely? Is either too "tight" blowing in the low range, or too "spread" up top?

These seem like they may be good for the less than serious student who has an aversion to used horns, and I want to be able to offer options within every budget to someone who craves the shine.

Thanks,
Marty

I had thought a tubenet member purchased what you dub a Schilliphone. Somewhere on here is a thread.

Several members have purchased each; I was wondering if anyone had done a side-by-side comparison.

[pierso20]

There have recently been some positive reviews on both the "Schillbrunner" larger Schiller 4 rotor HB copy, and the 5 rotor CC which appears to be a copy of the Miraphone 186 (which I now dub the Schilliphone.) Anyone ever have the opportunity to play both of these horns? Unfortunately, there are none anywhere near me to try and recommend, and I doubt I will take a cross country trip to try a horn just to offer a recommendation. I would be very curious as to back-to-back comparisons, BBb vs CC notwithstanding. Is the Schillbrunner too "HB vanilla" sounding? Does the Schilliphone exhibit way too much 186 edginess prematurely? Is either too "tight" blowing in the low range, or too "spread" up top?

These seem like they may be good for the less than serious student who has an aversion to used horns, and I want to be able to offer options within every budget to someone who craves the shine.

Thanks,
Marty

I had thought a tubenet member purchased what you dub a Schilliphone. Somewhere on here is a thread.

Several members have purchased each; I was wondering if anyone had done a side-by-side comparison.

Ha. My mistake. Apparently I'm too busy to read a whole post through.

[Sylvano]

I have both.
They're very different design and difficult to compare.
I changed the rotation of valve 3 and 4 so they all turn counter clockwise. Some issues with my Bb valves: they leak. The top bearing (the seat really) needs to be taken down a bit for the valves to fit tighter. I have bought one of these optic fiber camera even with the adjustment all done, the valves move slightly on both axis. They were lapped too agressively. In short, it needs a valve job.

One of my band members bought one and his works fine. The valves are just fine. I guess it's something to check on these horns.

This one doesn't leak: The Schiller C 5v is now my main horn for orchestra and quintet. I can tell you that it plays better than the 1980's vintage Miraphone 186 C 4v I had use of for years. It's heavier gauge brass. I sold my two other C horns (Rudy and PT20P) since I bought this Schiller.
Tuning is great. I used it in Mussorgsky's Pictures (played the Bydlo on the "Firebird" F) and Tchaikovski 6th so far and it blends very well with the trombones and equally well with the basses. I'm very, very happy with it.