marching G bariphoniums?

[Bob Kolada]

Since my contrabass trumpet quest seems to be at a dead end , I've started looking at 3 valve marching baritones and such in G. What are the good ones? How are the Kanstuls (which in my search seem to be the only 3 valve G's still made)? I would prefer the smallest bore (since I already have a euphonium and a small Eb tuba!), best playing one I can find.
http://kanstul.net/category.php?categor ... Page=Bugle


Thanks!
Bob

[Mcordon1]

We use G baris and euphs in statesmen(3 valves on both). They were made by Werril, but are under the name Dynasty. The baris can realllllll edgy if you want them to be(small bore?)
these aren't the ones we use(ours are 6 years old?), but check these out

http://www.dynastyband.com/product/prod ... roductID=1" target="_blank

[Bob Kolada]

Thanks! Are yours large shank?

I think I'd prefer a large shank, compact shape, and a main slide dealie would be sweet!

[djwesp]

Good thing being a hornophile isn't illegal, bob!

[Bob Kolada]

Bump!

[imperialbari]

http://www.kanstul.net/detail.php?pass_ ... ty%20Brass

appears to be a remake of the British bass fanfare trumpets in G. I have one of the Brits. Not insanely practical. And it should have had at least one trigger option. But it will say hello with some punch.

My Kanstul Custom G baritone has the pitchfinder and is a fine player, but it is no substitute for a contrabass trumpet.

Klaus

[Bob Kolada]

My Kanstul Custom G baritone has the pitchfinder and is a fine player, but it is no substitute for a contrabass trumpet.

That's actually alright. Which one do you have Klaus?

[imperialbari]

I cannot find a models designation on it. The engraving says Custom Class and from the wrap it appears being the 190 rather than the 191:

http://www.kanstul.net/detail.php?pass_ ... ment=Bugle

The ring in the pitchfinder slide is too big for my left thumb. I made one of my many small customizations in from of a wide textile (read: underwear) eleastic band connecting the said ring and the stay between the male branches. That makes the slide return itself, and that improves my grip as the left thumb now only shall push and not return the slide. As the slide is on the main bugle, there is no swosh effect from using it.

It is made with a small receiver, which however will take the Denis Wick SM2M, which gives much more sound than the original 6 1/2A.

It sounds good, it is more compact than the British contrabass herald trumpet, but it does not fit my sexual preferences, as I am not a masochist. A comp euph can do anything better and is much more comfortable. But I have this soft spot for G instruments. 9 samples, 6 in the low octave.

Klaus

[Bob Kolada]

Thanks Klaus! That is the model that most interested me (190), though I would prefer to use a bass trombone mouthpiece in it. How is the low range?

Does/did anyone make a bass flugabone/trumpet shaped valve trombone in G? That would be something!

[imperialbari]

There are no dead notes that I have found. I would say it is solid down to C# concert, but not nearly as big a my YEP-641 with the Yeo mouthpiece.

I would have preferred a large receiver too, but from the announcement I see that response is high on the agenda. And then it is intended as a marching instrument, which shouldn’t exhaust the player too much. I find it very fluent in fast legato lines.

Without doing visual comparisons this one looks like made on a Bb frame, which would have the pitchfinder as it main tuning slide. Now the extended leadpipe has a large main slide. The 1st slide has a thumb saddle, which to me appears like a left over from the Bb design. The pitchfinder slide is easier for me to handle with the said modification. And I see no way to use the pitchfinder and the 1st slide saddle at the same time.

Klaus

[Bob Kolada]

Perhaps a thumb extension is in order?

[imperialbari]

A small anecdote:

According to my late father I have very long thumbs. He told that my maternal grandfather had long thumbs, and as soon as I developed long thumbs, he was convinced my mother was the daughter of the man, she called her father.

In my life with recorders I never could use the thumb rests on the larger sizes, not even the adjustable ones. On my tenors I have removed these rests.

My single Bb horn has two independent triggers for the left thumb: stop and F-extension. There the long thumb is an advantage in the odd low range fingerings.

I had to build my own thumb support for my King 7B bassbone, as i couldn’t hold the trombone and use the thumb trigger at the same time.

I hold my piston trumpets and cornets with my left thumb and middle finger below the slides and move the 3rd slide with my left index.

Klaus

[Roger Lewis]

I find it interesting that the search seems to be for more powerful instruments - more edge, more low range power, more fff's. I would love to see more posts about blending, section playing, section tuning and making the music and phrasing. Knuckles dragging on the ground will never win a gig - making great music does.

Just an observation for what it's worth.

Roger

[Bob Kolada]

I find it interesting that the search seems to be for more powerful instruments - more edge, more low range power, more fff's. I would love to see more posts about blending, section playing, section tuning and making the music and phrasing. Knuckles dragging on the ground will never win a gig - making great music does.

Hmm? Why would I want a tubby instrument with a bad low range that tops out too soon volume wise? Blending, tuning, phrasing, comes from me. Volume/range/.... certainly do as well, but the first are far more personal. Not sure I ever mentioned anything about any sort of "knuckle dragging" playing either....

[DavidK]

Bob,

You and KiltieTuba should get together for an evening or weekend of beverages and brass what-iffing. You guys are always asking about fun and off beat stuff. Who knows, you might design the next big thing in the low brass world !!!

Good luck in your latest quest.
DavidK

[Mcordon1]

Thanks! Are yours large shank?

I think I'd prefer a large shank, compact shape, and a main slide dealie would be sweet!

I know the euphs are large shank, but I don't know about the baris. The euphs aren't in any way compact though.

[imperialbari]

According to the Kanstul site the 190 in G is very much cheaper than the 290 in Bb. The features appear to be the same aside from the G baritone having one more water key.

???

Klaus

[tclements]

I have 2 Kanstul G euphonium bugles (or whatever they are called). With my usual F tuba mouthpiece in it, it sounds amazing like my Yamaha 621 F. I am having Dick Ackright take the two horns apart and building them into ONE G tuba (whole step about the F). I will give a full report when the project is done. here is the story about Roger Bobo's G tuba: http://www.rogerbobo.com/instruments/g_tuba.shtml" target="_blank

[Bob Kolada]

Very cool! Kanstul should offer that big G euph in front action. Then there'd be another weird horn I would covet.

I actually now have a lead on an F contrabass trumpet, so we'll see....