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Donn · Post by **Donn** » Mon May 31, 2010 8:24 pm

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
again, as the above disclaimer states- way, way too much sun today--so I will wait until I stop looking red/purple and my body returns to normal to have any at all final judgements

A little aspirin is very effective with sunburn. Not a cure, but amazingly effective at reducing the inflammation and hence symptoms.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Mon May 31, 2010 8:38 pm

cjk · Post by **cjk** » Mon May 31, 2010 11:03 pm

jonesmj wrote:Hi-
Just received my lacquer 1291/2 CC M&M/Jin Bao Miraphone clone 4 piston, 1 rotor tuba today. .... The bell is interesting--on this horn, it is 17 3/4" diam.--I would have thought it would have been approx. 18.5" diam.--like the 1291/2. I have inquired to Michael/M&M re. this size difference....

While that very well may be a fine tuba, it is not a copy of a Miraphone 1291.

The body would appear to be a copy of a Hirsbrunner HBS290/HBS390 (also known as the HB-2 and HB-2P) with a fairly different looking valve section. The third valve tubing is routed like a B&S. The 5th valve is done much like a Gronitz CC.

The Hirsbrunner "4/4" bell diameter is 450mm, which is just over 17.7 inches.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Mon May 31, 2010 11:07 pm

Mcordon1 · Post by **Mcordon1** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:59 am

jonesmj wrote:If anyone is near Western New York and would like to try out any or all of the horns, you are more than welcome.

That Eb looks like an awesome deal for under 2K new, I may end up getting one next summer or so. A play-test would be great.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:56 am

MartyNeilan · Post by **MartyNeilan** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:40 am

Thoughts:
For under 2 grand, their 186 copy is a great horn that I would unreservedly recommend. Nothing else comes close new, and even used it is hard to find something with that degree of playability.
When you start getting into the 4 grand price range, there are a large amount of used horns available in different sizes, keys, configurations, etc, if one is willing to sacrifice cosmetics.

-not knocking ANYbody's tuba, or any specific make or model.

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:50 am

bigbob · Post by **bigbob** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:21 am

Why is your horn more expensive than the 186 clone??Is it because it's in CC??Are they both 4/4??thanks................................BB

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:45 pm

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:42 pm

Bob Kolada · Post by **Bob Kolada** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:51 pm

How comfortable is the valve angle?

bort · Post by **bort** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:52 pm

Are the pistons fast?

(Just joking, I full-well know the excitement of playing a *nice* new tuba.

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bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:36 am

goodsn4 · Post by **goodsn4** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:14 pm

So would this be a Jin Bao "original" CC tuba?

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:14 pm

UTSAtuba · Post by **UTSAtuba** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:08 pm

With that bell size, and B&S-looking valve set, I would say it's closer to a clone of the B&S PT-4P.

Joseph "just making observations..."

bisontuba · Post by **bisontuba** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:03 pm

Bob Kolada · Post by **Bob Kolada** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:27 pm

How/where did you get it? I don't see it on the MM website.

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