Koetsier Violin and Tuba duet?

[KevinBock]

I know I have seen this piece performed live, but for the life of me I can't even find who publishes it. I scoured the Tuba Source Book and couldn't come up with it either. The title is Unterkagner Landler, Op 87. Any info on this piece would be greatly appreciated.

[SFAtuba]

Hi,

I would think the easiest way would be to email Mike Forbes (he's on tubenet) since he did a CD of Kotsier's different tuba compositions. This piece is on that CD, so he should be able to give you some information as to where to buy it.

Hope this helps!

[Tubainsauga]

http://main.library.utoronto.ca/webcat/ ... at=3297040" target="_blank" target="_blank

Here is a link to the info for it at the University of Toronto Library. I don't know if it helps, but it might.

[imperialbari]

http://main.library.utoronto.ca/webcat/ ... at=3297040" target="_blank" target="_blank

Here is a link to the info for it at the University of Toronto Library. I don't know if it helps, but it might.

This link lead to the title of

Unterkagner Länder

That title mystified me first due to the first word, and I googled the full title with not much coming up.

The first word gave no results in the dictionary of my preference, but googled alone it gave this result:

Unterkagner Ländler

which makes much more sense, as Ländler is dance form related to the menuetto and the waltz. In this context Unterkagner would mean The Landscape below/down the Kag, where Kag would be a mountain or a river (I don’t know all German landscapes).

In general Americans do terrible when writing German titles and names, and I usually don’t make not posts on that point. However that fact prevents a sensible seach on the web. In this case it might bring better results only to google for the composer’s name. Not all Germans of my generation are good at English, so communications may be troublesome.

If you want to trace European music, you may be best off by contacting Thompson Edition owned by David Thompson, solo hornist in Barcelona. The really smart thing about this company is, that it has offices in Europe as well as in the US, so that the hazards of private imports may be avoided.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre, who is not German, but reads that language quite well

[Mike Forbes]

Greetings,

Thanks, SFAtuba for mentioning my Koetsier Recording of this work and the other 6 great solos for tuba. One of my students drew my attention to this post, and I suppose I can help.

1) It's out of print. No longer published. Neither Hickey's nor any great Euro publisher like Spaeth-Schmidt will have it. With that being the case, I'll happily send interested folks PDF files of the part that I got from a university library. Just email me via TubeNet or at my university email of:

forbesm@uwplatt.edu" target="_blank" target="_blank

2) It's a great work for either bass OR Contrabass tuba. It has "fiddle" elements and a great deal of chamber music is there to be had.

3) Unterkagner Ländler does refer to a country dance (Ländler) south (unter) of the town "Kagner" as far as I can remember. There is a town called Kagner or Kagener (my memory on this is slipping a little) just about an hour northeast of Munich. Jan Koetsier lived in Bavaria (this region of Germany) for so many years before his death in April, 2006. If I remember correctly, he was commissioned to do this work for a duo living in this town of Kagner and Herr Koetsier supplied the country dance "Ländler" idea as the idea of tuba and fiddle made him think "dance"...and Kagner is certainly out in the country.

4) The tuba/violin duet is Op. 87/2 and the brass piece is Op. 87/1. That's where the confusion stems from in regard to that issue.

I hope this helps clear up the confusion. Interested parties may purchase my CD (and support the artist who created it) at:

http://tubaquartet.com/koetsier.html" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Or hear a sound clip of Jenny Gregoire (Demondrae Thurman's wife) and I playing Unterkagner Ländler at:

http://muzetunes.com/playback.asx?c=o-x ... QZ19I=&f=B" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Best wishes,
Mike Forbes

[MaryAnn]

Klaus wrote:
"If you want to trace European music, you may be best off by contacting Thompson Edition owned by David Thompson, solo hornist in Barcelona. The really smart thing about this company is, that it has offices in Europe as well as in the US, so that the hazards of private imports may be avoided."

That info not needed for this piece any more, but I second what Klaus said. David Thompson has found pieces for me that I thought were un-findable, and sold them at reasonable price too.

MA

[imperialbari]

I first suggested Kag as the root of Kagner which is an adjective form of a name, but there also is another option, which gives a reasonable result.

The town must be Kagen, here shown at street level, but zoom-able out to a point where München comes up down left:

http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&q=kagen" target="_blank

Here a list of articles on Koetsier in a German periodical:

http://www.nmz.de/search/node/koetsier" target="_blank

There appears to be a Koetsier foundation related to the

Hochschule für Musik und Theater München.

As Koetsier was a professor for conducting there, that conservatory might be the best reference point for this composer, who was Dutch by birth.

Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre

[Mike Forbes]

I, too have been receiving now even more emails on this topic lately. So much so, that I'd better update my email! I left my gig at UNK over a year ago: Seth Fletcher is the low brass dude there now. I teach at the University of Wisconsin-Platteville. My new email is: forbesm@uwplatt.edu" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

I just spoke to my contact at Editions BIM about republishing this work as well. We'll see what happens.

Thanks for enjoying my Koetsier CD!
Best wishes,

Mike Forbes
Assistant Professor of Low Brass & Music Theory Chair
University of Wisconsin-Platteville
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