new mouthpipe for vintage 2165

[cjk]

Did you have a 56J receiver just lying around or did you order one specifically for that purpose?

Is there anything particularly special about the 56J receiver?


--Christian

[TubaTodd]

I have (what I suspect to be) an early model 2165 that is in near-mint condition.

I forgot to say this to you when I was at your house, but I believe the early model 2165's had a completely different valve-set. When I studied with Ed Diefes of the Syracuse Symphony he had an early model 2165 and it had a valve-set more like you would expect on a Kalison, Gronitz or Hirsbrunner. The valves seemed a little smaller, lighter and the top valve caps had a felt circle that the valve button would strike. See picture below...

kalison valves.jpg

Your 2165 may be one of the earlier "big valve" 2165's. I think one of the other age identifying characteristics might also be the ferrules. Yours were smooth and fairly flat. The ferrules on mine are slightly convex and have a few grooves etched in them. I have no idea when the ferrules changed.

Any way you slice it, your 2165 was in fantastic shape. I'm intrigued to see the development of your mods.

[Wyvern]

Interesting how often we read about large tubas being improved by fitting smaller bore leadpipes. Makes one wonder why manufactures make them with so large pipes in the first place?

I cannot remember anyone ever improving by fitting larger bore leadpipe.

Jonathan "who is pleased the Neptune comes with choice of sizes"

[Rick Denney]

Interesting how often we read about large tubas being improved by fitting smaller bore leadpipes. Makes one wonder why manufactures make them with so large pipes in the first place?

As one wag put it, the Yorks were designed to make the most of what you have. The 2165 was designed to make the most of what Warren Deck had.

Rick "noting that the 2265 and the 6450 have the smaller mouthpipes compared to the early Deck-model 2165" Denney

[pierso20]

As one wag put it, the Yorks were designed to make the most of what you have. The 2165 was designed to make the most of what Warren Deck had.

Rick "noting that the 2265 and the 6450 have the smaller mouthpipes compared to the early Deck-model 2165" Denney

EXCELLENT.

[toobagrowl]

I wonder if some of the other large mouthpipe tubas (Alexanders, MW 5/4 rotarys) would benefit more from a moderate sized mouthpipe.

[Wyvern]

Well I was also thinking about the Miraphone 1291 improved with narrow pipe to make the 1292 and have heard of Cerveny Kaiser's also similarly improved

[Tom]

I wonder if some of the other large mouthpipe tubas (Alexanders, MW 5/4 rotarys) would benefit more from a moderate sized mouthpipe.

I wonder the same thing quite often about my Alexander. It has the original leadpipe. I am reluctant to remove it because I've gotten used to how it plays (great!) and am a bit of the mindset that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

BUT, I've been very tempted to see what a smaller pipe would do. A couple of different absolutely top-drawer pros have (independently) suggested that a MW Fafner leadpipe might be worth a look. I don't have an technical specs on that pipe to compare to my own and have only played around on Fafners briefly and without the intention of buying, so I don't know if it would work at all.