Louisville Orchestra Troubles

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Re: Louisville Orchestra Troubles

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Mark wrote:
MileMarkerZero wrote:So let me see if I understand the logic...

Your business is suffering from a cash crunch due to lethargic sales of a quality product. So the best solution is to re-vamp and scale back production to offer an inferior product in hopes that it will spark demand?
Well, if you find that the POPS concerts consistently draw a larger audience and the orchestra members make it clear that POPS concerts are beneath them and are unwilling to play anymore in a season...

[N.B. This is a remark about orchestras in general and not directed at Louisville.]
So lowest common denominator always wins...

"A 1997 Harvard study found the job satisfaction of symphony players to be just below “federal prison guards” and just above “industrial production teams.” And that was the glory years of American orchestras. Since then, musicians in numerous orchestras have had their pay slashed, weeks of employment cut, and, in places like Detroit, their livelihoods threatened."
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windshieldbug wrote:So lowest common denominator always wins...
No, but you can't sell a product no one wants.
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Mark wrote:
Well, if you find that the POPS concerts consistently draw a larger audience and the orchestra members make it clear that POPS concerts are beneath them and are unwilling to play anymore in a season...

[N.B. This is a remark about orchestras in general and not directed at Louisville.]
Most orchestra musicans make it clear that Pops concerts are beneath them, it's just that most stop short of being unwilling to play them completely because they know deep down inside that the pops concert with someone like Kenny G or Michael McDonald on the program today is funding the Mahler, Bruckner, and Shostakovich symphony concerts tomorrow that don't draw flies.
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Re: Louisville Orchestra Troubles

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Tom wrote:Most orchestra musicians make it clear that Pops concerts are beneath them, it's just that most stop short of being unwilling to play them completely because they know deep down inside that the pops concert with someone like Kenny G or Michael McDonald on the program today is funding the Mahler, Bruckner, and Shostakovich symphony concerts tomorrow that don't draw flies.
Here's a proposal which might actually be attempted if some of those orchestra players who witness the empty house chairs for Mahler, Bruckner, and Shostakovich push actively for their orchestra's marketing staff to try. The primary target for this marketing campaign would be those people who have attended only the orchestra's concerts with Kenny G, Michael McDonald, etc. and are not already subscribers of the orchestra:

" You'll love our orchestra! MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!"

Reserve one, two, three, or four seats to an upcoming concert that features, for example, Shostakovich #____ coupled with other truly creative programming (that's the responsibility of the Artistic Director to offer variety within what we label as "classical music").

To participate in the Money Back Guarantee offer, audience members would agree to listen before the concert (on the honor system) to a downloadable MP3 (or CD, if they're not computer-friendly) of an engaging introduction to the repertoire to be performed on the program, styled after Bill McGlaughlin's "Exploring Music" or BBC Radio 3's "Discovering Music" or CSO's "Beyond the Score."

The audience members would "check in" upon arrival at the concert, confirming that they listened to the introductory program.

After attending the concert, if they truly felt that they "hated the music" or "didn't get their money's worth," they could request a partial or full refund of their ticket costs.

If promoted aggressively*, new audience members might be willing to "put their toe in the water" and give it a try. The net result would be some new fans of the so-called "standard" repertoire. It could go as far as having a "Billy May" type character announce the "Money Back Guarantee" program. Dignified? Perhaps not. But do those same people who attend concerts by Michael McDonald, Kenny G, etc. care how "dignified" the ads or the concert itself is? No! Perhaps they might smile and say to themselves, "OK, I'll give this Shostakovich a try."

*It is worth noting that the CSO has regular ad campaigns on the AM NewsRadio station in Chicago. It must be working to gain new audience members. This would be one avenue for promoting the "Money Back Guarantee."
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Steve Marcus wrote:" You'll love our orchestra! MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!"
I like this idea, without the requirement of listening to a recording beforehand.
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So, Andre Rieu is coming to Seattle and will be performing at the Key Arena for one night, December 26th. Tickets range from $65 to $461. Key Arena seats about 17,000. I am willing to bet that they will sell out.

FWIW, there is no way that I would pay anything to go see Andre Rieu. But there apparently are a lot of people that will. In one night he will gross the equivalent of about 20 Seattle Symphony Concerts. I don't like it, but this may be the way things are headed.
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Mark wrote:So, Andre Rieu is coming to Seattle and will be performing at the Key Arena for one night, December 26th. Tickets range from $65 to $461. Key Arena seats about 17,000. I am willing to bet that they will sell out.

FWIW, there is no way that I would pay anything to go see Andre Rieu. But there apparently are a lot of people that will. In one night he will gross the equivalent of about 20 Seattle Symphony Concerts. I don't like it, but this may be the way things are headed.
Never heard of him before I read your post. Looked him up. http://andrerieu.com/site/" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

Oh my.

Professionally, I know people respond to corny, sentimental appeals. So in my job I hold my nose and do what works all the time. But the fact that so many people respond so uncritically to stuff like this is a bit discouraging. More than a bit.
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Steve Marcus wrote: You'll love our orchestra! MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!"
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The Dallas Wind Symphony has a Money Back Guarantee Offer. It's not as complicated as the one described: Buy a season ticket, if you don't like the first concert you get your money back. In a decade of making this offer no one has ever asked for the refund.

However, it doesn't bring in audience members by the droves. It does keep an interested person in the seats for a season. In the current economic recovery (please, stop laughing!) it is harder to sell tickets to any performance.

Alas, ticket sales pay for less than half of a top level orchestra's budget needs. It ain't ticket sales they need, it has always been donations.
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Re: Louisville Orchestra Troubles

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Tubajason wrote:Everything ebs and flows, but in the end anyone who wants be become a professional musican should also have the music ed degree otherwise you will never make a living.
Really? I don't have "the music ed degree" and I do fine teaching university and freelancing, thanks.

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