Tuba Choice--Rite of Spring

[eupher61]

Buy one, you get a free Veg O Matic, and a dehydrator, and a set of knives FREE

[jeopardymaster]

My 184 was what I used both times. But I didn't have a choice. I did have a choice which part to play one of those times - and went with the Second Part. The other time it was handed to me and I said, oh... all right.

[Amilcare]

This is idiocy. I logged in and then when i answered the idiot about the Rite of Spring part, it was lost.

[Matt G]

This is idiocy. I logged in and then when i answered the idiot about the Rite of Spring part, it was lost.

The irony.

[windshieldbug]

This is idiocy. I logged in and then when i answered the idiot about the Rite of Spring part, it was lost.

The Rite of Spring is lost!?

[eupher61]

Pot, kettle...

[MartyNeilan]

Revisited:

The college where I am adjunct at is performing Rite of Spring in their (usually very good) college/community orchestra next spring. As we don't currently have any tuba majors, I will be playing one of the tuba parts, most likely the second. I was thinking about giving the first part to a capable student with a 4 valve compensating euphonium. Symph Fantistique and a few other two tuba pieces have sometimes used euph on first, but has this ever been done much on Rite? (with evidence to back it up?)

[sloan]

And while I'm pissing everyone off, I'll add for Matt's sake: The plural of anecdote is data. The problem with anecdotes is that they are singular (or at least not plural enough to test their plurality).

Rick "only Klaus got it right" Denney

No, it's not. "Data" requires something more.

Oh, wait...you're an engineer.

Nevermind...

[MartyNeilan]

Revisited:

The college where I am adjunct at is performing Rite of Spring in their (usually very good) college/community orchestra next spring. As we don't currently have any tuba majors, I will be playing one of the tuba parts, most likely the second. I was thinking about giving the first part to a capable student with a 4 valve compensating euphonium. Symph Fantistique and a few other two tuba pieces have sometimes used euph on first, but has this ever been done much on Rite? (with evidence to back it up?)

Any college euphonium player worth his salt and with a fully chromatic horn should be good at least down to a pedal F. The question isn't really one of range, but rather timbre and style. So, what say ye to a euph on the first part? Major no-no, or having the right punch and growl for this piece?
I am looking for any empirical evidence, or even anecdotes, to back this up.

[Todd S. Malicoate]

Revisited:

The college where I am adjunct at is performing Rite of Spring in their (usually very good) college/community orchestra next spring. As we don't currently have any tuba majors, I will be playing one of the tuba parts, most likely the second. I was thinking about giving the first part to a capable student with a 4 valve compensating euphonium. Symph Fantistique and a few other two tuba pieces have sometimes used euph on first, but has this ever been done much on Rite? (with evidence to back it up?)

Any college euphonium player worth his salt and with a fully chromatic horn should be good at least down to a pedal F. The question isn't really one of range, but rather timbre and style. So, what say ye to a euph on the first part? Major no-no, or having the right punch and growl for this piece?
I am looking for any empirical evidence, or even anecdotes, to back this up.

I vote no. The euphonium simply doesn't have the raw power that many sections of this piece really needs (particularly the energetic rhythmic sections where the tubas have secco downbeats).

It will work on euphonium, yes, but if you have an option I don't believe that euphonium is the best choice.

How lucky you are to have a chance to perform this work with a college/community orchestra. Most would shy away from such a challenge!

[Biggs]

This is idiocy. I logged in and then when i answered the idiot about the Rite of Spring part, it was lost.

The irony.

Where was I the first time this ran?

[eutubabone]

When I played this with Macon Symphony a few years ago, I believe Willie Clark and I were on the first part. I think he was playing the principal 1st part, I was playing assistant principal ( also up in the stratosphere) and George Mason was playing the second part. I don't remember what tuba Willie was playing, but at the time I was on a Miraphone 188 and George was playing a BBb on the bottom part. It seemed to sound good on the CD they recorded that night.

[eutubabone]

Yep. Two on the high parts and one on the lower part(George). There was another concert called"Brass Extravanganza". Macon Symphony had hired the TransAtlantic Horn Quartet, the Candanian Brass (Larry Zelnick on trombone, Dan Perantoni on tuba) and I was playing euphonium and bass trombone. The other tuba was Mike Dunn. Anyway, when it came time to play the Ride with the orchestra, I, Dr. Upchurch and Charles Renau were on bass trombone on the stage, with the other brass performers( double brass quintet) and a whole host of brass players were out in the audience . So I thought, one bass bone (Dr. Upchurch) was surely enough but Mr. Gnam said something like"more is better". It was alot of fun and a unique weekend .

[musikfind1]

>>>Study the excerpts and decide for yourself what the best tuba is for you.

The engraved corrected edition of Rite of Spring © 2000 is for sale from Edwin F. Kalmus L.C., as the work is in the public domain in the U.S.

S66 Octavo score $22.00
A2138 Large Score $95.00
A2138 Set of parts (incl. 44322 strings) $590.00
Extra parts (including tubas) each $15.00
http://www.kalmus-music.com/hto.html" target="_blank
An errata list is available for the edition but there were no engraving errors found for the tuba parts!

BTW: Research has shown that the tube tenori en Sib alto, which are doublings for the Horn VII and VIII, “sounds a 2nd lower” which makes them always sound an octave above the bass tubas, not in unison. Example: the continuation of the scale at Reh. 78 measure 3 to 6.

[J.c. Sherman]

While there is argument that two French tubas are what performed the work first (and this was known), Dr. Young relayed to me he asked Stravinsky point-blank what he wanted for the work - "The biggest tuba you've got".

So there's our answer. Big not bright.

Another datum?

J.c.S. (who'd like to hear small bore trombones on some works, and some sections do "size down" from time to time.)

[tclements]

small F tuba, like the little Yamaha.

[Steve Marcus]

Dr. Young relayed to me he asked Stravinsky point-blank what he wanted for the work - "The biggest tuba you've got".

I wonder if Stravinsky knew about Dr. Young's BBBb-EEE subcontrabass double tuba.

[UDELBR]

"The biggest tuba you've got".

This sounds like something a conductor might say in rehearsal in order to get a laugh. Not convinced it should be taken literally.

[MartyNeilan]

>>>Study the excerpts and decide for yourself what the best tuba is for you.

The engraved corrected edition of Rite of Spring © 2000 is for sale from Edwin F. Kalmus L.C., as the work is in the public domain in the U.S.

S66 Octavo score $22.00
A2138 Large Score $95.00
A2138 Set of parts (incl. 44322 strings) $590.00
Extra parts (including tubas) each $15.00
http://www.kalmus-music.com/hto.html" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
An errata list is available for the edition but there were no engraving errors found for the tuba parts!

BTW: Research has shown that the tube tenori en Sib alto, which are doublings for the Horn VII and VIII, “sounds a 2nd lower” which makes them always sound an octave above the bass tubas, not in unison. Example: the continuation of the scale at Reh. 78 measure 3 to 6.

They are not on IMSLP, but can be found online at
Ballets: http://www.mediafire.com/?ktybbctfdio
Orchestral Parts: http://www.mediafire.com/?gmjznyznmjr
All other works: http://www.mediafire.com/?kmgzind5nzz
and
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f367 ... 0ffd6d3e7d
I will definitely be using a large CC for the second part.
My problem is finding someone for the first part, hopefully connected to the school, who can do the first part justice (and gratis.) That kind of range is NOT for someone who plays a BBb tuba as a second or third instrument. Hence my inquiry about the feasibility of using a good euphonium player with a fully chromatic instrument. Still researching and looking for ideas and anecdotes...

[J.c. Sherman]

"The biggest tuba you've got".

This sounds like something a conductor might say in rehearsal in order to get a laugh. Not convinced it should be taken literally.

As I understand it, he believed it in ernest, and he was playing the double tuba (which is a brilliant machine, IMHO).