bloke's 6/4 CC TUNING VALVE

[k001k47]

Jeez, why not just install a BIG slide?

,or a main tuning slide trigger.
Bloke is too cool - and handy- for sh*t like that.

[imperialbari]

Why have nobody caught the secret agenda?

bloke IS as superhuman as his rate of posting. To appear more human his installed this microtonal trill valve, so that he can fake a nervous vibrato.

K

[Homerun]

Why don't you just fix the overtone series?

[SousaSaver]

...and no, this has nothing to do with Dr. Young and his 7-rotor King/Gronitz. Dr. Young's monstrosity is based on the incorrect assumption that tubas' overtone series are in tune. My solution is based on the realization that they are not.

This is why I like your idea, because it deals with a real problem. By accepting the faults for what they are, it becomes simpler (maybe not technically but on paper certainly) to diagnose and address this problem. Nice job sir.

The little bit of truth in your post made me think of this quote from Carl Sagan.

"The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not determine what's true."

-Carl Sagan

[J.c. Sherman]

Terrific idea with handsome execution, Bloke!

J.c.S.

[MartyNeilan]

Terrific idea with handsome execution, Bloke!

J.c.S.

Now, all you need to do is find a way to turn the original 5th valve 90 degrees, and you will have a "face" on the tuba when it is resting on the bell

[imperialbari]

Will that rod take the gold plating needed to match your tuba, or will you use old King style gold tinted lacquer? Does the Jupiter substitute for the original King lacquer imply the same level of social acceptance, or will it degrade you in the tuba community?

K

[imperialbari]

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You must stop being so colour-oriented. Black is beautiful.

With you?

YES!

Will fit your dirty mind just perfectly.

And I rather want my silver plated instruments black than enduring the stink of polish.

I see the weight benefits of the coal-mine derivate. But if the spring were at the rotor end of the set-up, would flexing become a problem?

Klaus

[sloan]

If this proves out, I may start doing rotor linkage conversions with c.f.

It starts with one control rod. Then it spreads to all the valve linkages. Then the bell...

I'm taking bets on when bloke's project horn becomes more than 50% carbon fiber.

The over/under is: 5 years.

[bort]

This is like the 2165 "Rube Goldberg" edition.

Neat.

[bort]

Joe, I meant no disrespect! Actually, I think it's pretty cool that you could mechanically make "a great tuba except for..." into "a great tuba."

[Homerun]

My 5450 seem to have some of the same tendencies, bloke. Mine will arrive at your shop sometime next week

[MartyNeilan]

Send me your 2165's en masse (along with your massive stacks of $$$$'s) and I'll "mass produce" them.

All kidding aside, if one wanted to get a 2165 or similar horn "Bloked," do you know what a ballpark cost for this would be?
Now that you have done the R&D, repeating this would (hopefully) be considerably less time consuming and just require parts and few(?) hours labor.

[Lew]

It seems to me that most of the alterations you have made are changes that could be made to the design of the horn in general so that they would be better coming out of the factory. Yes, the tuning valve that started this thread may be a bit of overkill for most players, but you have mentioned a number of other tweaks that you have made to improve the horn's playing and intonation tendencies. I'm wondering, if these are improvements why wouldn't they make these changes to the design to begin with? It does seem silly that you have had to do all of this work to make the tuba play the way you want it to. I wonder how much of this translates to changes that everybody would appreciate and how many are specific to one person's playing and might not translate into an overall improvement for most people?

[imperialbari]

That spring is in accordance with my ideas about having the vector force, where the real action is (the valve rotation) rather than at the trigger end of a push-rod assembly. You have a combo of two springs, which is even better. But when I suggested keeping the original test spring you told about it humming in resonance. An argument ringing with me. So now this question:

How do you avoid humming from this illustrated spring?

Klaus