William Tell Tuba Part

Mike-ICR · Post by **Mike-ICR** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:37 pm

The local orchestra will be playing the William Tell Overture this February. I didn't think there was a tuba part, but apparently there is. Of course, they don't have it. So, do any of you have the part? If so, please oh PLEASE scan it and post it here. Thanks in advance!

tclements · Post by **tclements** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:44 pm

There isn't one in the original. I am certain that someone edited one in.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:01 pm

I was asked to play concert in March including William Tell Overture where I was told the orchestration is 2222 4231 tmp+3, so includes tuba which rather surprised me. Unfortunately I am not available to do that gig to find out if the part actually exists.

Let us know Mike!

Mike-ICR · Post by **Mike-ICR** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:18 pm

Thanks for the info. We are also performing Overture to La Gazza Ladra with the tuba part. I didn't catch the name of the "arranger" for this version of the William Tell. Any idea where I should start looking?

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:59 pm

Not even a part for serpent or for ophicleide!

If they want you to cover the 5th cello part in the opening, you should play it on an F tuba.

K

musikfind1 · Post by **musikfind1** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:19 pm

No tuba in listed in THE standard book for finding repertoire:
Daniels, David. "Orchestral Music: A Handbook, FOURTH EDITION"
or in its Daniels online subscription <http://www.orchestralmusic.com>.
[In fact no tuba has ever been listed in the Daniels 1st, 2nd or 3rd edition]

No tuba is listed in the Kalmus reprint of the original opera publication by Ricordi or the " Breitkopf German" edition of the overture.
No tuba is listed in the Ryden arrangement for school/community orchestras.

Even the off stage banda in the opera does not have tuba: 0.0.0.0/4.4.2.0.
There are "Educational" arrangements for schools that have had a tuba part added - an abridged overture by J.F. Lehmeier and one by Andrew.

Dean E · Post by **Dean E** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:12 am

See this tuba part by Tommy J. Fry, Arranged by Erik W.G. Leidzen, Carl Fischer, publisher.
http://www.freehandmusic.com/sheet-musi ... uba-407530" target="_blank" target="_blank

BVD Press · Post by **BVD Press** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:31 am

Maybe it is a "Mahlered" part?

fsgazda · Post by **fsgazda** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:14 pm

Dean E wrote:See this tuba part by Tommy J. Fry, Arranged by Erik W.G. Leidzen, Carl Fischer, publisher.
http://www.freehandmusic.com/sheet-musi ... uba-407530" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

That part is from the concert band arrangement (in f minor, not e minor like the orchestra).

Dean E · Post by **Dean E** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:38 pm

fsgazda wrote:
Dean E wrote:See this tuba part by Tommy J. Fry, Arranged by Erik W.G. Leidzen, Carl Fischer, publisher.
http://www.freehandmusic.com/sheet-musi ... uba-407530" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
That part is from the concert band arrangement (in f minor, not e minor like the orchestra).

Right. The original poster didn't specify which arrangement or key was on the play list.

Kevin Hendrick · Post by **Kevin Hendrick** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:55 pm

Dean E wrote:
fsgazda wrote:
Dean E wrote:See this tuba part by Tommy J. Fry, Arranged by Erik W.G. Leidzen, Carl Fischer, publisher.
http://www.freehandmusic.com/sheet-musi ... uba-407530" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank
That part is from the concert band arrangement (in f minor, not e minor like the orchestra).
Right. The original poster didn't specify which arrangement or key was on the play list.

Sure about that, are you?

Mike-ICR wrote:The local orchestra will be playing the William Tell Overture this February.

Dean E · Post by **Dean E** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:52 am

bloke wrote:
fsgazda wrote:
Dean E wrote:See this tuba part by Tommy J. Fry, Arranged by Erik W.G. Leidzen, Carl Fischer, publisher.
http://www.freehandmusic.com/sheet-musi ... uba-407530" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank" target="_blank

That part is from the concert band arrangement (in f minor, not e minor like the orchestra).
It's actually for

- tuba players who only practice the Vaughan Williams Tuba Concerto or
- always play very flat

Sorry, but I'm clueless. Not only has my crystal ball stopped working, but my anal implant is only receiving weak, static-filled signals. Maybe the original post was written with disappearing ink. What I need is a secret decoder ring!

Mike-ICR · Post by **Mike-ICR** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:02 am

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm looking for the tuba part for the William Tell Overture. It would be a full orchestra version (not the original... I know), not concert band. I'm still waiting for a call from another musician who can tell me the key and possibly the arranger of the version.

Kenny Rhind · Post by **Kenny Rhind** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:05 am

I have a part from William Tell, Guglielmo Tell, marked Trombone Basso Sib (ie, Bb) I must have played this at sometime, as a fourth part, but normally there is no tuba in this work. The publisher is Ricordi. The part is marked (aggiunto) which I presume means optional.

Additional for the Thieving Magpie, I have a part marked Tuba. This is an arrangement but I can´t make out the arrangers name.
The edition is VEB Deutsche Musikalien-Druckerei Leipzig. At least where I am, this part would normally not be used.

I think both of these parts are obsolete and most conductors probably would not want them played but perhaps in a small amateur orchestra they might fill out the music if there were a lack of certain instruments.

I can´t attached them here but if anyone wants to look at the parts, send a PM.

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:28 am

If the OP wants knowing what is likely to happen and also wants the chance to get a few fast figures laid down in the fingers, then practice the following an octave down:

Rossini-GuillaumeTellOv.BassTrombone_Page_1.png

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:27 pm

Kenny kindly sent me the WT scans in a high resolution, which I cannot downsize sufficiently with the software available to me. Kenny also sent me smaller files, which will indicate where a tuba might be asked to play. However the files are of a low resolution hardly giving good prints, yet here they come:

imperialbari · Post by **imperialbari** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:30 pm

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Mike-ICR · Post by **Mike-ICR** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:03 am

WOW! Thanks, Klaus and Kenny. I still haven't heard back from the orchestra but I believe there's a rehearsal in the nest few days. I'm excited to try this and hear how it sounds with the orchestra. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks again!

Mike-ICR · Post by **Mike-ICR** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:39 am

We had a rehearsal last night and the part above worked great! It's in the right key, the rests are in the proper places and for the proper number of bars. The rehearsal numbers don't match but that was very easy to fix. When I arrived I was presented with the tuba part to both "Die Diebische Elster" and "La Forza Del Destino" overtures. Aside from being a little surprised that either of these pieces have tuba parts, I was shocked when I noticed they were in different keys from everyone else! Soon after I realized there were entire sections removed from my part and sections of rests where I should have been playing. It turns out the publisher sent the concert band tuba parts. Luckily one of the trombone players (who happens to be an opera fan) had optional 4th parts for both pieces. They work as well as the optional William Tell part. Would it be appropriate to bring my Cimbasso for these pieces? Everything is written with the trombones and I didn't think I blended well even on my small-ish British Eb.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:01 am

Mike, there are proper orchestral tuba parts for La Forza Del Destino and Die diebische Elster - both are on the Cherry CD.

Playing all on cimbasso sounds very sensible to me, but will be interested in what others think, as I have La Forza Del Destino coming up in future concert.

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